Michael

No, you're misunderstanding the definition. The article is even clearer in its opening paragraph: "The object is something that presumably exists inde...

I'm not being intellectually dishonest. I'm staying on topic. The definition of "objective thing" as given by the IEP is that of a thing that exists e...

If the above doesn't answer your question then your question isn't relevant. We're discussing the IEP's definition of "objective thing".

"It exists when we're not aware of it" and "it exists as it is independent of any conscious awareness of it" mean the same thing. Therefore if it does...

Are you being serious? You just said that it pops out of existence when we're not aware of it. You're just wasting my time now.

It the thing pops out of existence when it isn't seen then it doesn't "exist as it is independent of any conscious awareness of it (via perception, th...

You're being ambiguous here. When you say "it disappears" are you just saying "it disappears from sight" or are you saying "it ceases to exist"? The f...

Also, tag one of us so we notice it.

Ever read/watched One Punch Man? That one's great.

Superman is stronger.

What? It's exactly the same thing. If a thing exists independently of any conscious awareness of it (via perception, thought, etc.) then it continues ...

Why would we attack Trump and his supporters over something Hillary did?

It says exactly that. Objective things are things that exist independent of any conscious awareness of them (via perception, thought, etc.). And to sa...

I highly doubt that intrapersona is claiming that " is only ever an inference at best". Rather it seems that he's saying " is only ever an inference a...

What's the "etc."? An opposition to same sex marriage? An opposition to the theory of evolution (as given here)? Promoting Christian values? Promoting...

If that were true then wouldn't we have a theory of everything? There are a lot of unsolved problems in physics.

In the ordinary sense, i.e. the only sense that matters when making such a claim. The truth of the claim has nothing to do with what the Earth is doin...

But I believe it's the one that @"intrapersona" makes, and so (again) you're not addressing his claim; which is that that things continue to exist eve...

How do you observe that your Kindle is an objective thing (where an objective thing is a thing that exists even when it's not being observed)? You'd h...

That doesn't address @"intrapersona"'s claim, which is that that your Kindle is an objective thing "remains only ever an inference at best".

By this do you mean that we observe things continuing to exist even when they're not being observed?

No, I wouldn't. I don't see why you would think the movement of the Earth relevant. Do you not say of the statue "it's not moving"? I'm sure you do. I...

I wouldn't say that's a metaphor either. Because the movement of the Earth in space is irrelevant to the meaning (and so truth) of the statement. Cont...

It's not a metaphor. Just as it's not a metaphor when I (correctly) say "I'm not moving" while standing still, despite the fact that I'm hurtling thro...

This betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of language. You might as well take issue with the phrase "it's pissing it down" because nobody is urinati...

I haven't watched any of the debates, but from what I've read it seems that all they do is insult one another. Aren't they supposed to be explaining t...

I don't see why we need objective things to exist for the word "objective" to mean what it does (and so for the word "subjective" to mean what it does...

You might want to see this. Referring to things (like the world) as either objective or subjective is a thing we do in philosophy.

I don't see why this means that the sun doesn't rise. If I say that you're sitting to the left of someone else, is what I say false because, from some...

It pissed down with rain when I was at Angkor Wat. Thankfully it was at the end of the day and I'd already visited the other big temples around there.

That's not how he justifies his claim. He starts with the fact that he's doubting and then argues that because doubt requires thought, he thinks. And ...

Descartes said "I think, therefore I am", not "I am, therefore I think", so this claim seems misplaced. You don't need to know how awareness emerges f...

I think it's more that he cared more about feeding himself than the forum.

The problem with the private sector is that it's up to the landlords to determine the rent and whether or not to accept people on benefits, and given ...

Or we could make these the good new days.

Yep. It's proper broke.

I played and finished Life is Strange over the weekend. That was quite the emotional rollercoaster.

Which American accent?

You're not crazy.

Yeah, outside of classes I didn't do much work but still managed a 2:1. Maybe my course was easy or maybe I'm just naturally suited to the subject. Or...

The exams were like the essays. I didn't do any formal logic. It was just questions on some notable philosopher or theory. Summarise the views, expoun...

Pretty much that, although there were also end-of-term exams, and a couple of the essays in the first year were only 1,500 words if I recall. I had be...

Well, given that all human life can be traced back to a single source, that's pretty trivial.

I don't know who defined it that way, but it's how the view is defined on the Wikipedia and the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy pages. And it cert...

Doesn't that mean that everything except dark matter is visible?

Presumably that things have a red appearance even when not being seen. The traditional naive view is that things have a look even if they're not being...

Me: "Do you just mean capable or incapable of being seen by the typical human?" You: "No, I mean..."

Right. Well, given that you said "no" that definition here you'll understand my confusion.

I understand "visible" to mean "capable of being seen", as I said. I don't know what you mean by it, and simply saying "it's visible but you can't see...

The epistemological idealist and anti-realist will accept that account of being red even when not being seen. But that's not the naive realist view. T...