Luke

This was a bit of a throwaway line for a separate argument (to my 'motion doesn't require counting' argument) that occurred to me late last night of t...

Only if you accept Zeno's assumption that counting is identifiable with motion. But we appear to be going around in circles, as impossible as it may s...

If I needed to say or count every distance that I moved (as I moved), then I agree that motion would be impossible. But I don't need to.

I still don't understand what you mean by a "first event" in practical terms in relation to motion. The first distance that I count/pass through? But ...

But counting is not required for motion (is it?), so it doesn't matter if the counting is impossible. It doesn't make the movement impossible.

I don't see why I should accept that the mathematical problem of infinite divisibility should prevent movement from starting.

Fair enough, and I have no issue that there might be a mathematical problem. I just don't see that there's any related problem of motion. I'm suggesti...

What does "there's no first distance to move to" mean (in practice)? Again, you seem to be saying that I need to figure out the first distance before ...

Why equate the impossibility of counting with the impossibility of motion?

So why do I need to figure out "the first distance I pass through" before I can pass through any?

You assume that mathematical tasks must be completed before motion can begin. I reject this idea. Motion does not require the completion of any mathem...

What makes it impossible?

I suppose. Is there a problem?

A unit of distance can be infinitely halved, but these mathematical "tasks" are not required for motion. Otherwise, only mathematicians could move.

All I meant was that the flow of time and the passage of time can be used synonymously. You seem to have some special use for these terms. I use them ...

Why couldn't the same be said about the flow of time? What makes that an "incoherent misconception"? I never made this positive claim. The Wikipedia a...

I don't buy your distinction. What is the passage of time supposed to be relative to? And where is your proof? I never said there was no time, but ete...

So what? Eternalists claim that temporal passage is an illusion. Prove it. I'll go first:

Which question? Motion is a problem for eternalism because temporal passage is an illusion according to eternalism. Without passage through time, ther...

I think they might be suggesting that the present moment is when observations are made. Why do we need to define it as time of observation minus infor...

I don't believe that I've made any argument from experience. I have only been trying to point out to those who are quick to dismiss presentism, that e...

You say that the concept of motion is available to eternalists, but it seems logically incoherent to me. You claim that motion or change can(?) happen...

And the illusion? If the passage or flow of time has no objective existence, then I guess it must have subjective existence? It certainly appears as t...

I still don't understand. If presentism posits a passage of time while eternalism does not, then how is motion possible according to eternalism? Why i...

What do you take "a static block of space-time" to mean? How is motion possible if there is no flow of time or any passage through space-time? Why doe...

It surprises me how advocates of eternalism presume the right to the only redeeming aspect of presentism.

Did you not see the quote I posted on the previous page of this discussion: It seems quite clear to me.

In the article I linked to in my last post, it states that "60 physicists, along with a handful of philosophers" attended a conference to discuss this...

Have you worked out yet how to account for eternalism's lack of motion, or are you still ignoring that eternalism has this problem? https://www.quanta...

§76. Bounded and unbounded concepts differ conceptually but share a family resemblance. Their resemblance is like that of two "similarly shaped and di...

Then why does he ask whether his knowledge is not completely expressed in the explanations that he could give? Your account is inconsistent with the p...

An "unformulated definition" suggests that there is something of my knowledge (i.e. something mental) which is left unexpressed in the "mere" giving o...

§75. "What does it mean to know what a game is...and not be able to say it?" Wittgenstein answers in the form of a question that could be rewritten as...

§73. Explaining the names of colours by pointing to samples is comparable to giving someone a colour chart. "Though this comparison may mislead in var...

I'm not sure how this relates to what I've said. Perhaps you're just noting another problem with presentism in relation to the rate at which time flow...

Time travel may not be possible, or we may not have discovered how to do it yet, but I think we can entertain the possibility for this discussion at l...

I am aware of at least some of the problems of presentism (including this one), but it seems to me that presentism needs to be assumed in order to add...

Right, I've never denied that either.

I agree, and I've never said otherwise. What I've said is that, according to my view of presentism, no other times but the present time exist, and tim...

If I were to hazard a guess at what the statement could possibly mean, I might say: 'More people than I have been to Russia', or maybe just 'Other peo...

Shut it down people, he's onto us.

Yes, I thought so too. :up:

You may be right. To offer some explanation and defence of my view, I consider there to be a perfect symmetry between the motion of Presentism and the...

Time travel is not possible according to presentism because those other times (or travel destinations) do not exist (according to presentism). I did n...

Hi Walter Firstly, it depends what you mean by the A theory and the B theory of time. Presumably you are using these as synonyms for Presentism and Et...

5.632 The subject does not belong to the world: rather, it is a limit of the world. 5.633 Where in the world is a metaphysical subject to be found? Yo...

Sorry to interrupt but yes, he does. According to the index: free will, 5.1362 soul, 5.5421, 5.641, 6.4312 Then you disagree with Wittgenstein. As quo...

Likewise, "stand roughly there" is wide open, unbounded, referring to anything which could be construed as (roughly) "there", until it gets restricted...

This is similar to the person who gives the order to Wittgenstein to teach the children a game - they do not "properly determine" or draw a boundary a...

So you don't want it to change? Personally, I find that attempting to summarise what I think Wittgenstein is saying in each section gives me a better ...