:up: Yes, I agree. Information is an inForming - literally changing the shape of, including mind. Originally this would have been meant to apply to an...
Thanks for the great reply. I'm starting to get it. I'm always expecting to encounter some major unforeseen stumbling block, but you have given me ano...
We have strayed somewhat off course. Thanks for confirming. I am working on the principle that information is fundamental. Whilst I can understand thi...
It depends on your definition of information. I am saying interaction is the equivalent of information for any two entities that are interacting. That...
I don't think you can escape this circularity, which is why I say information = interaction. The Wave function is probabilistic, and is collapsed at t...
We can reduce life to moments of consciousness, and then what we are conscious of are the things we are interacting with. whether they be memory, imag...
That is an excellent post :smile: It is such a pleasure to find intelligent and probing conversation. If this were true then we couldn't use informati...
Basically yes, but we have to bear in mind we have conceptualized consciousness to a state of integrated information. What you describe is a situation...
Yes it is absolutely valid. You have posed a reformulation of Schrodinger's cat problem, which cannot be known until the box is opened. The wavefuncti...
Yes, that is how I would describe it also. The sand dune can be described as a system, and the wind another system, and through interaction they self ...
:up: Yes, these expressions are idiomatic to my evolving understanding of information and consciousness. They are based on established theory, but my ...
:up: Yes, that is a good way of putting it. @"Gnomon" illustrates something similar here. It depends on what you understand information to be. Incredi...
This is what Enactivism tells us. "Enactivism is a position in cognitive science that argues that cognition arises through a dynamic interaction betwe...
This definition can be used to argue that art only has one definition, and that it is valid across all cultures for all of time, as it identifies a lo...
:up: Yes something like this. The interaction self organizes, or integrates, to become a self in some way. Similar to the sand pile, and similar to Wo...
Why is this so hard for you to understand? -"Art’s only necessary distinction from ordinary objects is the extra deemed art information". Once somethi...
But a bit is not meaningful. We need a meaningful bit. When I first started this thread, I looked through all the dictionary definitions of informatio...
I'm glad we agree that art is information about the artist's consciousness. And when we view art, we do so in terms of our own consciousness. And so w...
Oh, I see now. You are highlighting that the observer interprets the artwork entirely in terms of their own consciousness, and If they had no prior kn...
Yes, we come from a tradition of thinking of ourselves as the chosen one's at the center of the universe, tended by a benevolent god, etc, and this so...
This is not the ideal thread for this, but since you asked, the nature of information is something I am still trying to understand. However thus far I...
Ha, ha. This is something you would have to ask the person deeming one object art, and the other one not. But there would be reasons, or in other word...
Yes that is true. And we do have a memory of past moments of consciousness, which I would call a body of information, and it is this body of past info...
An actuary table can be deemed to be art, since Duchamp's urinal, but not before, and this reflects how our collective consciousness has evolved. Befo...
Aha - you are arguing for a mind independent time? This would be a form of naive realism? Yes, this is the paradigm the world works in. Einstein's rel...
There is truth in this, but it is really the wrong thread for it. Note my definition does not define the form of art, experience, or consciousness - t...
Thanks for the link, I wasn't aware of it. Shannon information theory can quantify information ( produce a number ), but it is not meaningful in any o...
:up: In General systems theory we can take any part of the universe and know that it is a self organizing system made up of self organizing subsystems...
Cybernetics is part of the enquiry, and is something I have only begun to research about a month ago. It seems about this time we lost the traditional...
The idea of the mass - energy - information equivalence principle is picking up steam, and understanding things as an evolving process is the obvious ...
Your mate thinks he is entitled to troll this thread with vacant opinions, as if it was a facebook post or something. It is very low standard, and can...
Not really sure what this means. Nevertheless, I am impressed with your energetic, and enthusiastic, philosophy. If you don't mind, I would like to te...
I would agree that all things have their foundational grounding in experience, which is inherently aesthetic ( is painful or pleasant ). But we can no...
What is truly embarrassing is how a dim wit and lack of any substantial argument whatsoever, will not prevent some from expressing their consciousness...
I don't wish to say that art is not aesthetic, plainly it is. However all experience is aesthetic, so to focus on aesthetics as the defining feature t...
Ha, ha, You mean this is far different to the ingratiating and romantic philosophy of the likes of Dewey and co. Yes it is. The thing to remember is t...
I did say it was a long shot - Indeed! Flat earthers can believe that the Earth is flat despite all the evidence against it, but not with credibility ...
I was an idealist, but am now an enactivist. It is a slightly better understanding, imo. Yes, it is a different understanding of information, compared...
This is what distinguishes art from ordinary objects - art has this extra deemed art information. ( Duchamp's urinal ) ( readymade art ). No there is ...
I don't want to be a player in the consciousness guru game. I want to be a player in the art definition game. :lol: I also would like to understand my...
:100: ** I think this video, where Van Gogh visits a gallery in the future, and how his work is interpreted by the gallerist is a really good illustra...
Read the linked studies. Brush up on phenomenology. Produce something that exists for you outside of consciousness of it. I think you will find it is ...
Consciousness has nothing to do with religion or Gurus. In phenomenology and neuroscience consciousness can be broken down into moments of consciousne...
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