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:100: :up: Yes information needs to be redefined, or perhaps better put - it's original meaning needs to be reinstated - which is to inForm - literall...

We have already been through this. Whilst an Ai can be programmed , and an elephant taught to create a repetitive picture, they neither choose to do s...

I give up on you. Good luck with it.

I would agree that the future prospects of the definition are uncertain. It's strength is, I believe, that it identifies in scientific terms something...

Hi, you come and go so infrequently? You would be a good asset in discussions of the mass - energy - information equivalence principle, since you alre...

Time flies when you're having fun. :lol: I think the old fashioned definition of information is the obvious definition to use: Information = to inForm...

It may not work. In fact it is highly unlikely that it will work. However, what is there to lose? You are seeing it in action now. The logic of the de...

What else can you possibly do other then express your state of mind. An answer of affirmative = your state of mind! Consciousness is not simply consci...

I'm thinking a start to a philosophy needs to be the interaction that is information. I'm not at all sure how to do it, but a start at the source and ...

So what is expressed - is it not the current state of mind?

Do you or anybody you know make art in your sleep? Whilst artists make work about dreams, they do not do so whilst they are asleep. These are consciou...

Sure angry people can be mellow and gentle at times, but In a fit of rage, all they will express is a fit of rage. :lol: In any case, what they expres...

When information informs you, it changes your neural state such that you ultimately have an experience. Nobody is saying experience is not part of the...

It means you can not separate mind and consciousness. That consciousness is a state of mind. The subconscious likewise is always an aspect of consciou...

You are not a bad artist, imo. Your philosophy could use a bit of work though :razz: Misunderstanding is hard to avoid in this setting. My expression ...

I'm glad we agree. Consciousness is a little more accurate, imo. As it relates to a state of mind. It is a state of mind that is expressed in art, or ...

Are you conscious of your mind, or are you mindful of your consciousness?

Not at all, it is great to have another woo juggler to talk to. BTW I saw a video recently on developments in biology and science in 2020, and they we...

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How is mind different to consciousness?

That is excellent!! There is an asymmetry in the interaction of forms, otherwise they annihilate. Wow, this bears thinking about! That is how I unders...

I gave you a link to panpsychism. It seems, you just misunderstood what was stated. A refresher in panpsychism should fix this.

I think this definition, such as it is, holds for all art. I think most people would understand art is something like this. Of course whether somebody...

:up: Thank you. Thank god somebody understands and agrees. It has been a very lonely thread otherwise. :lol:

Good luck with it. I feel the gulf in our understanding is too wide to bridge. I will leave you with a link to panpsychism which I mistakenly thought ...

Even if you were an Ai, you would still be expressing a consciousness, but this time the consciousness of your programmer, until such a time as AI bec...

Yeah. I would think of information as being the change in mental state, due to an interaction with an externality. So much the same thing.

Yes, I understand, the information does not occur for any individual until the externality causes a change in neural state. However I am under the imp...

I don't think there is much in that either, except that that the laws governing one part of the universe are going to be similar to the laws governing...

Yes, this interaction is crucial- it is the basis of logic, and the interaction of systems can be reduced to this singular interaction of one part to ...

Yes, it possesses information about that affair, as you put it. It is entirely information about that affair. You have answered your own question, but...

You are arguing that you are AI, and thus unconscious? :chin: Nah, an AI would recognize that my definition is logically watertight, so would accept a...

We can not express anything other than our consciousness. What is consciousness? Since this definition, and due to a wonder about what consciousness i...

:up: Oh, I see. :up: This would take some explaining, but just briefly - what I am thinking about is what gives us form? And it is information. So wha...

Pathetic, your argument has been so defeated, that now you misrepresent the situation and resort to name calling and an attack on character. It is a c...

He reveals his consciousness through his vacant opinions, and troll like behavior. It is not necessary to inhabit a persons consciousness to get a gli...

The Gel remark was not aimed at you or anybody specifically, it is just a fact of communication. As per the definition, and the OP. Everything can be ...

Is this a forum about problems individuals have with other individuals? If so, then my problem with you is that you seem to mistake your opinions for ...

This is an imagination of your mind. Again you reveal your consciousness. Still no argument. Still no substance. Just opinion philosophy. :lol:

An opinion bereft of substance, in the face of a scientific, irreducible, and falsifiable definition of art. Neither do you represent the opinion of t...

Exactly - that is why the art work is information about what is occurring in the artist's mind, or in other words consciousness. Likewise this art obj...

I envision a multiplicity creating a system, and that system then interacting with the other systems it is enmeshed with. Similar to Newtons enmeshed ...

I would be looking to elucidate this predicament from an information perspective - how we are constrained by the information composing us- both biolog...

Without getting into a debate about this. I do not see a reason to assume dualism? If information is fundamental, then the integration of information ...

Yes basically. This definition of art is an artwork, in the form of a scientific, irreducible, and falsifiable definition of art, to the extent that a...

Yes, that is a good way to put it. Art work is information about the artists consciousness. Consciousness, or evolving process of self organization, i...

"Hard to see, the future is" - Yoda. :grin:

This needs to be understood within a theory of information, and we are still working on the definition of information. The theory seems to be pretty s...

This is similar to the information philosopher, and I'm glad information philosophy can accommodate both monism and dualism, although it will probably...