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Alright, so do mountains exist? And by mountains, I don't mean the rocks, dirt, snow making them up. I mean do objects called mountains exist? What's ...
November 14, 2019 at 03:53
I think Dummett made similar critiques of realism as well, although I think he tempered it by saying his approach might not work against all cases of ...
November 14, 2019 at 02:44
It simply means there is more to the world than humans. So evolution, stars, big bang, atoms, disease, animals in the deep sea, maybe alien life, etc....
November 14, 2019 at 00:54
Well yeah, they're realists about other minds. Which is open to the same sort of criticism of the OP. That's true, there are different kinds of realis...
November 13, 2019 at 19:26
I think I agree with what you stated there. Except that the world doesn't have to reflect our concepts entirely. We have gotten quite a lot wrong. I g...
November 13, 2019 at 19:20
Add transcendental and Berkeley's idealism to the list. Skepticism is that we simply can't know, so that would be fifth one. But I agree about solipsi...
November 13, 2019 at 18:46
Yes, I'm a scientific realist. I was just repeating the correlationist argument Meillassoux critiques.
November 13, 2019 at 18:39
Right, Nagel's point is we can't know therefore science (or objectivity) can't tell us everything. Block made a similar argument with androids and nat...
November 13, 2019 at 15:01
It almost has to be that way. I guess the color realist would argue that human brains are recreating colors out there in the world, but I'm not sure t...
November 13, 2019 at 14:25
True, but we use our experiences to draw the inferences that make most sense of all the empirical data, and form explanations around that. Thus we com...
November 13, 2019 at 14:21
Right, but then this leads to the Meillassoux critique that dinosaurs existed (not really). So we can empirically say humans evolved from earlier life...
November 13, 2019 at 14:07
Yes, that's how we experience vision.Which is why naive realism doesn't work without a sophisticated philosophical defense. It can't just be asserted ...
November 13, 2019 at 13:55
I agree, but where does nature draw the line on what is Mt. Everest and what isn't? As for the OP, how do we know it existed before we were around? I ...
November 13, 2019 at 13:46
That would be naive realism. The chair exists pretty much as we perceive it when we're not around to perceive it. But that obviously has problems, whi...
November 13, 2019 at 13:42
Wait, what? This is going to be the new 100 page idealism/realism death match. It's way too early to bow out. So are you saying Kant didn't think the ...
November 13, 2019 at 04:31
Right, does Kant ever say positively what exists and how it relates to the phenomena? So if time is a mental category, then what does it relate to in ...
November 13, 2019 at 04:25
No, but I can substitute real in there: How dow we know Mt. Everest is real? Cue ordinary language response.
November 13, 2019 at 04:24
And yet we know about deep time, and we can measure how long Everest has been around. Probably, but we also know about picoseconds and nanometers, so ...
November 13, 2019 at 04:17
Oh okay, Cart, horse, idealists being trampled. Mount Everest is the reference of "that". How do we know that Mt. Everest existed before we knew about...
November 13, 2019 at 04:07
How do we know "that" numbers exist? Morality, qualia, possible worlds? Just because you can put a that in front doesn't mean it has a real referent, ...
November 13, 2019 at 03:59
Agreed, but three possible objections: 1. How do we know that to be the case? 2. What if the concept of things existing independent of us (or percepti...
November 13, 2019 at 03:52
Well, in the context of subjective experience, humans, since we know that for ourselves. Most likely other animals, given similar enough biology and b...
November 13, 2019 at 03:47
We certainly have had such arguments on the old forum regarding Everest, apples and chairs. They tended to go over a 100 pages. But yes, for everyday ...
November 13, 2019 at 03:44
Does it have sensory organs and a nervous system?
November 13, 2019 at 03:42
Living organisms with active nervous systems and sensory organs.
November 13, 2019 at 03:41
That realism requires things existing regardless of whether we know about them, which I understood OP's starting point to be.
November 13, 2019 at 03:37
I don't know, but it's something perceivers generate in the act of perception, memory, imagination, dreams, hallucinations, etc.
November 13, 2019 at 03:34
Wouldn't a realist have to make that argument? A galaxy millions of light years away or an evolutionary ancestor would exist as they are regardless of...
November 13, 2019 at 03:31
An issue here is focusing on individual things. So if I'm no longer observing the sun, then I can't know whether the sun still exists according to the...
November 12, 2019 at 19:37
There are several things to the definition. One is any experience which varies between individuals. The room feels hot to you, cold to me, and fine fo...
November 12, 2019 at 19:10
Doesn't the strong version of that support conceptual schema relativism?
November 11, 2019 at 17:49
@"StreetlightX" But then there's the "unusual effectiveness of mathematics", particularly for physics. Also, space and time themselves might be emerge...
November 11, 2019 at 17:16
Yeah, I should have said indirect. But it's also the case that we don't always have that indirect knowledge. It might exist in really subtle physiolog...
November 10, 2019 at 20:55
Well, it's because certain properties of experience are perceiver-dependent and not in the objects themselves. The air feels cold, but that doesn't me...
November 10, 2019 at 20:28
I believe Nagel was saying that science uses an objective view from nowhere (perspective-less or lacking subjectivity) to create explanations. But the...
November 10, 2019 at 14:30
We developed the cognitive ability to point to things we can't properly express. Unknown unknowns and what have you.
November 10, 2019 at 14:20
The answer is inscrutable. I'm sure you understand.
November 10, 2019 at 14:15
"I finally achieved Nirvana this past Sunday." "Oh yeah? What was that like?" "Truly Indescribable. Beyond words!" "Ah, I see. That explains it perfec...
November 10, 2019 at 14:11
They may be in reality, but brain models of neurons and neurotransmitters don't include sensation. That's just a correlation or outcome that we know e...
November 10, 2019 at 13:50
Simple: the colors, sounds, smells, tastes and feels aren't properties of the physical environment you interact with. Or at least not when it comes to...
November 10, 2019 at 13:44
He argued for that. But to what he extent he "showed" that to be true is another matter. There isn't consensus among philosophers that he was correct....
November 10, 2019 at 13:40
Which gives logic and math a kind of atemporal, aspatial quality. Which is odd, given that we inhabit temporal, spatial universe of change.
November 10, 2019 at 13:37
No, that's not how problems usually work. The undermining of knowledge. Biting the bullet is admitting that the ancient skeptics were right.
November 10, 2019 at 13:36
I'll put it another way. Someone could come along and argue that all we have our words and not reality. So proper philosophy would be to recognize tha...
November 10, 2019 at 13:32
Ahhh, so you're a meriological nihilist. That still leaves the fundamental stuff. Our alien visitors agree on the electromagnetic spectrum it seems. T...
November 10, 2019 at 13:17
It's accessible in the sense that we do have similar experiences as human beings, but not entirely. What's inaccessible is each of our own personal ex...
November 10, 2019 at 13:06
Perhaps that language can't fully capture experience, or do proper justice to how one feels on occasion.
November 10, 2019 at 12:56
Same applies to matter. Maybe it's all some kind of field.
November 08, 2019 at 23:28
It does leave itself open to skepticism. What if we said that we directly perceive some aspects of an object, like it's shape and location, but other ...
November 08, 2019 at 22:12
Direct realists tend to say objects are colored, that's why we see color. Indirect realists are fine with perceivers coloring in the world. We can kno...
November 08, 2019 at 22:04