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The intermediary and the disguised analysis are the interesting cases. If it's disguised analysis, the all and some statement should somehow engender ...

I was gesturing towards something like: propositions are part of an interpretive device we use when analysing sentences and relating them to truth, to...

I agree with you there. I wanna push back on the idea (if you were suggesting it) that it's exclusive to art though. In terms of the expression of sem...

It defers the problem of how you go about "weighing" an all and some statement to the context of the all and some statement: Which seems a cop out to ...

I drew that comparison too, though I saw a hole in the account. The hole is: using the "all and some" logical form for the role that "research hard co...

The article I linked to you in the previous post explores the issue. Whether you are agreeing with what you've heard is quite different from hearing a...

I do that too. I noticed that I frame my interaction with the world as something like a conversation while reflecting, but that I retroject the narrat...

Yes. The quantifiers need some domain associated with them. The original article goes some way to specifying the kind of domains they're talking about...

Yes. A statement is verifiable if it can be shown to be true. A statement is falsifiable if it can be shown to be false. Consider statements of the fo...

I guess I don't really know how to think about a proposition if it's not associated with a statement, or a class of statements, that sets out a state ...

I think the author expressed that the sensations were caused by the bird. I don't think the author expressed which sensations were caused by the bird,...

Perhaps! It reads like a class of propositions with unspecified content to me. Which sensations? What's the character of the perceptual features forme...

My specific account? I don't know, I just hope I'm right. People's worldviews in general? I think so. Priors are a thing, it's rare that we find somet...

I don't think it's uninterpreted, nor do I think it's interpreted in the manner we'd usually associate with words, essays, statements and so on. I thi...

My attempt at arguing against "belief content is propositional" in response to 's most recent post. Intentionality is the capacity of agents to have d...

Very much yes. It's why I wanted the debaters to refine the sense of proposition before engaging in the debate. If your sense of the proposition is li...

Maybe general philosophy?

You might find googling around about "dynamical system" and "dynamical system subsystem" useful! "splitting up" a complex system into component parts ...

That's brilliant. :lol:

If you're going to do a debate you should agree on a motion. All key terms in the OP's question are vague, and each of you can use that to hedge. So, ...

Thomas Metzinger, Hubert Dreyfus. I've been on a David Graeber binge since he died, though he's more of an anthropologist.

I'm not trying to say that every belief is directly associated with something perceptible; I don't think there's anything I could perceive that would ...

What I want you to do is... Provide an argument for this claim. Why can beliefs only apply to statements? I agree with you that beliefs can apply to s...

What does his belief consist in? Would he have believed the ball would hit his face if he did not assess its trajectory and formed a perceptual expect...

I think that's quite sensible. But... It's not an account of what a belief is! Linking them to perceptual expectations would be.

This one work?

None of the ways of editing a mention into a post work then. (quotes, replies, @-ing).

Test 3. This one?

Test 2. This one?

That one was the old edit bug, still not fixed then.

Test. @"jamalrob" Receive that one?

I think it's true that whatever modelling process a human does won't resemble how we'd calculate things on paper. People do calculus at high school bu...

If it's appropriate to call those perceptual expectations beliefs, yeah. I think there's some intuition that a belief labels an "entire" state of mind...

The other way I tried to approach it with @"Banno" is: if you believe snow is white, is your belief directed towards snow or the statement "snow is wh...

I gave what I thought of as a counter example earlier. When you record where people's eyes move about on faces while forming a stable image of them - ...

Yes. I don't think you are either. What convinces you that beliefs can only be about statements?

I can see the appeal of the position, I just don't agree with it. Nah. It's that I don't think I'd be able to make you doubt your position regardless ...

Fair enough. I was finding this frustrating too, if you decide to come up with an argument for your position (that beliefs can only be about statement...

Tell me what you understand "substitution salva veritae" to mean?

And?

The student believes x is a group. The student believes x is a semigroup with identity and inverses. The first is true, the second is false. By substi...

I have two different approaches to get you to see the problem, then. First: What you wrote actually an invalid argument form: (1) x believes that p (2...

Don't you think "beliefs only apply to statements" goes against my belief that snow is white? Which is an attitude I have towards snow. Not just towar...

SEP makes a distinction between propositions and concrete events, I'm using proposition in the sense of what the statements "snow is white" and schnee...

Sure. Since you are either unable or unwilling to provide an argument for the position you hold (that beliefs only apply to statements), I'll provide ...

Do you agree that these two statements don't imply each other? (1) Everything that happens can be put into a statement. (2) Every belief regards a sta...

What I had in mind: X believes (placeholder) What kind of thing goes in (placeholder), can it only be a statement? That's what characterising belief a...

Only if you can assess the weight of a statement!

Assume there's a completely accurate Bayesian model of perception, its perceptual expectations in the model might be statable in a propositional form;...

Absolutely fumbling, because (1) the process by which my eyes forage someone's face to produce a stable image of their face occurs sufficiently quickl...