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Historical perspective... Consider Popper's students Feyerabend and Imre Lakatos. Much of Feyerabend's work is a critique of Lakatos as much as of Pop...

I've poor eyes, I agree; might need new glasses.

Perhaps.

I can see the temptation in this. Yet aren't we obligated to introduce analysis and conceptualisation and empiricism in order to value? Otherwise woul...

Thanks for the reference.

Nice. I'm not convinced that this is presented as a dichotomy by Wittgenstein. Science is surely not solely empirical, but rather has the form of a gr...

Or you could write clearly.

The poems of ee cummings I made use of earlier are a more erudite variation of Jabberwocky. A joke about first-order predication that wasn't recognise...

Language is only for getting laid?

This travels way to fast to be clear.

I'm sad for those who vote for Abbot, as well.

Not sure what to make of this. Is there some jargon going on with "an other" as opposed to "another"?

So when you talk about "talking about...", you were not talking about language? It would be more interesting to tell us why you think language precede...

It would appear not.

It might be worth pointing out that predicates are names for groups of things.

Mmmm. Art begins as language? Showing begins as saying? I think that is the wrong way around. Perception is overrated and confusing. But yeah, languag...

So the discussion continues to spin, the gears disengaged. Ah, well. Your thread. I tried.

What if I were to say that the simplest grammar should include negation, conjunction, names for things and names for groups of things?

I guess the formality of first order logic frightens folk. Scares the willies out of me.

...except the grammar. What is grammar?

So do you think, when you define language as a capacity to communicate, that you are proceeding from a particular to the more general? Language is a t...

So you don't like first order logic because of who wrote it?

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Albert's criticism is not new... http://static.existentialcomics.com/comics/thalesInventsPhilosophy.png

@"StreetlightX" Cutting to the chase, won't any language worthy of the title include the basic structure of FOPL? ...and FOPL.

Cool. Just checking background.

He treated all words as nouns; to be defined by pointing. Do you agree with this?

...because grammar sets out how we can use the words for that object; and the use of those words sets up how we think about the object. You agree with...

This is just fumbling between communication and language. You might as well define language as a capacity to use language. The sort of buggering aroun...

I am not claiming that I am now able to interpret every sentence in FOPL.

It would've been more fun if you had used "it's raining".

Antigonish sums up theology better than I ever could. But I don't want to labour the metaphor, so I will just keep silent. It's the only rational thin...

Further, not all language use need be translated into FOPL, so long as part of it is.

To be sure, I'm not suggesting we try to interpret all English sentences in FOPL, but that we take FOPL as a root example of a language.

For example? And now it gets interesting. You are saying that there are some sentences of English for which there is no interpretation in FOPL. That's...

Why not? That's the question.

SO that's not quite the same as "If a lion could speak, we could not translate him"

I'm suggesting that being interpretable in First Order Predicate Logic is the least structure needed for something to be called a language. I'm sugges...

You are right. Use the above instead.

http://slideplayer.com/slide/8029665/25/images/6/First+Order+Predicate+Logic+(FOL).jpg

http://slideplayer.com/slide/6389287/22/images/20/A+well+formed+formula+of+predicate+calculus+is+obtained+by+using+the+following+rules..jpg

http://images.slideplayer.com/28/9361819/slides/slide_3.jpg

Translating would be "He rains".

Show and say. My favourite part of PI remains ?201. Here I find the point on which the whole balances. It shows how use lies at the heart of meaning. ...

Only if you cannot interpret them in a predicate syntax... If we are going to throw around words like syntax and grammar we ought at least check out h...

Hm. One needs to take care not to define language in a way that is too broad. Is this language? https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.pura-aventura.com/pura-bl...

How a peafowl says:"fancy a fuck baby?" https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Peacock_Plumage.jpg/1200px-Peacock_Plumage.jpg Langu...

Sad. I don't think you have said anything here with which I would disagree; nor anything that shows a problem with rejecting incommensurability betwee...

Is sign language speech? What about dance? Come on, Street: If you have a point, make it.

But so was I. When I work with autistic children, I sometimes observe carefully, then choose some characteristic and imitate it. With one, it was roar...