Banno

Why did you assume I as talking about you?

Ah. So evaluating actions in terms of their morality requires standards, does it? So what sort of thing is a standard? Is it a measure? Is it somethin...

Can't we? Why not?

This thread is a sad indictment of the state of science education.

Again, the evidence before us indicates that @"ProgrammingGodJordan" has a fanatical belief in "non beliefism". The irony is that he cannot see this.

@"Metaphysician Undercover", it seems you have committed yourself to doubting that the bishop only moved diagonally.

It is worth noting that even if nothing is intrinsically morally wrong, it does not follow that nothing is morally wrong.

An odd presumption, that one needs some reason to live.

No one thread runs through the whole length of a rope.

On the language game involved?

But what about certainty, without the obtuse adjective?

Does it make sense to say Jack thought he knew the bowl was empty?

@"ProgrammingGodJordan": You are still a believer, your fanatical belief in non-beliefism belying your claims otherwise.

Why is Jack meowing and rolling on the floor? Because his bowl is empty. Why is Jack meowing and rolling on the floor? Because he thinks his bowl is e...

Same old. There is a difference between a belief being unstated and its being unstateable. That Jack cannot say that his bowl is empty does not preven...

So "every statement is inherently doubtable" is doubtable?

Just remind me about how you deal with the obvious circularity: should you doubt that you ought doubt every statement?

Yep.

Think I will sit back and watch.

So true. I hope you take your own advice...

:( Forums are like that sometimes.

It is not uncommon for folk doing an undergrad philosophy dissertation to think that they have actually discovered something. Realising that they have...

It's about poor @"ProgrammingGodJordan"'s lack of a capacity to see how damning the criticism presented in this thread - and presumably in others - is...

Indeed. But that is about you, isn't it?

In a way selling a book makes a better sense of his passion; it is such an extraordinary thing that he cannot see the irony of his writing; one is tem...

Rather, a belief is an attitude towards some statement. If one believes A, one is willing to assent to A, to act on A, to assert that A.

He is indeed a believer.

Scientists do not deny that they believe; they are just willing to change their belief. You, on the other hand, must claim not to believe, despite the...

You are repeating yourself without answering the question. Is it that you cannot see the question? Is it that seeing the question would break the cage...

You are still a believer, hiding your true heart with the words "prioritise".

Psycoceramics is a glorious thing.

Quite so; but I do not claim to have abolished belief, so there is no hypocrisy in my belief. For you, your belief is apparent from your fervour. You ...

And how, exactly, does prioritising A over B differ from believing A and not believing B? All you have done here is to replace saying "I believe A" wi...

Almost biblical prose.

I've felt the same. I suppose the interesting issue here might be working out where Meta goes astray.

And what would happen when there is contradictory evidence? When evidence A is contradicted by evidence B? And this ignores the whole issue of what ev...

Well that's hardly a surprise. What is surprising is that you cannot see the irony of your predicament. Did you mean that "one can avoid failure by pr...

A place for a discussion to start, not the end of a discussion.

@"ProgrammingGodJordan" What is most unsettling here is not your belief that we ought abolish belief, but that you have had this belief so intensely f...

Have you ever noticed that sometimes words have nuance? Not always. Just occasionally, folk believe stuff because of the evidence.

How do we know that you do not believe, against your own recommendation, that the evidence persists regardless of belief?

So what is you aim, if not to convince us?

So you believe that? And you want us to believe it, too?

Your belief in non-beliefism is noted. Of course, you would not believe your belief to be self-contradictory...

SO we ought believe the evidence? Hu?

Moore stands before us, holding up his hands and saying "I have two hands". @"Metaphysician Undercover" says "I do not believe that Moore has justifie...

Just a note, Sam, that you have presented LW's account neatly and succinctly. I have been over this several times with Meta, to little avail. Cheers.

But what does this say? How is expressing a belief as a concept different to expressing a belief? How is expressing a belief different to making a sin...

Well, no.

The obvious problem here is that when folk chop up heads, they find grey goo. The do not find beliefs and memories and such.