Banno

Heart and brain need kidney and liver. You can think whatever you like, it ain't always how things are. This is not that sort of philosophy forum.

Nuh. Simpler stuff, like one of the grains of barley in the chook food. Sure - to confirm that it exists. But it still exists.

Nuh. There are things that no one has seen.

"It" being the object-subject distinction. Yes, I agree. It makes sense to talk of my preference for Darjeeling as being subjective, and it makes sens...

You'd need a lot more than just that to have me take any more interest in your line of thought.

So existence is the one attribute all things share, and there are different kinds of existence. Ok, so I am presuming that there must be something tha...

My apologies; It;s just that there is no obvious connection between what my comment on existence and your reply. If you care to fill in the blanks...

And we are off to insults. Meh.

Oh, is that all.

Well, I think that this is pretty much crap.

Different kinds of existence. How so?

You really are stuck on that objective - subjective hangup.

Sure. The only issue I would take is that there is an existential statement implicit in many other statements; in particular, those that feature "is"....

But that's not what you said.

Anyway, are there any threads around at the moment that are not full of such stuff? I've a little time on my hands over the next few days. Or do I sta...

you wanted "Necessary conditions not inherent to the tree itself... which are nonetheless required for its existence". Are you now saying that the nee...

AH, well, that's that thread, then. I enjoyed the Life of Brian quotes.

Ah. we ought not doubt the word... What is a condition for existence, that I might answer your question? But I don't think you can tell us. Either the...

"Necessary conditions not inherent to the tree itself"... What? "... which are nonetheless required for its existence"... Looks like word salad.

Just as well.

Sorry - are you saying Quine treated "exists" as a predicate?

It wasn't an argument. Stringing stuff together is easy. Meh. I don't see anything here worth considering.

I'm unimpressed.

Hm. Phenomenology, rather than psychology.

How so?

I've no clear understanding of what the "psychological context of 'existence'" might be. Is it the context in whichi we might use the word 'existence'...

Where? I ask because I want to be sure I understand you.

If you like - but it does not follow that one thing is not better than another.

Not easily. Doing so would simply be explaining predicate calculus. What is salient is that "Existence is relative, not absolute" lies outside these g...

And this is I think a very salient point; for how can one explain the astonishing degree of agreement between you and I and Aunty Millie and Fred over...

Given what I said above, I hope it is clear that there is little difference between realists and antirealists in what they assert about the way things...

Let's think on that. If existence is had by all things, then there can be no difference between things that exist and things that don't... And hence, ...

That's the thin version. There's a bit more to it than that. It's more about the meaning of propositions than about the reality of the objects around ...

Nothing, of course.

Indeed; in English, existence is I suppose more likely to be asserted using is, as in "there is a tree", or "is there a tree?". Firstly, I'm not too s...

There is too little care being taken. So becomes without so much as a wink. becomes

Now there is a grammar for relative and absolute that works well, too. It derives from the principle that the laws of physics will be the same from an...

Hm. I don't agree. And also, it's not the terms themselves that cause issues, but the way philosophers misuse them. SO there is a pretty straight forw...

And I am pointing out that you are wrong. Edit: well, not so much wrong as mislead by your words.

We could fix the question up a bit by dropping the word "necessary", and hence all its baggage. Perhaps "what must be the case for a tree to be a tree...

Well, here we disagree. In both cases, words have been concatenated in such a way that they appear to ask a question, but don't.

Hm. No need to go even that far. @"Merkwurdichliebe" used "splonk" as an example of a word with no use...

It's still a dreadful question. Look at how necessity and existence are used in modal logic. It's still asking if existence is red.

I don't think it can be un-muddled. The question "what makes it exist as a tree?" is full of philosophical presumption.

At least you recognised it. What does this say about the state of modern education, when reciting the classics goes unnoticed? The point, of course, i...

Enjoy it. It's your last chance, anyhow. So,...

:razz: You don't have to do this. You don't have to take orders.

We don't want any more Samaritans around here.

Right. That's the motion to get on with it, passed with, uh, one abstention. I now propose that we go without further ado. May I have a seconder for.....

So do I.