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You are just providing more reasons to ignore your posts.

Yep.

The times I've witnessed it, it did not sound like language. It struck me as forced.

None of which renders god non-existent.

I'm not impressed. That post looks like hand-waving.

Well, I was looking for a second opinion. And further I don't see where my actual question was addressed.

yep. My own Glossolalia.

Oh, I agree - he should have been banned long ago... just on the basis of post quality. Or is that not what you meant?

Good food. Think on it for a bit. Access to fresh and wholesome food is indicative of environmental health. A varied menu indicates not just wealth, b...

Ah, that's very good. As is the rest. I'll happily admit that my recent apparent proselytisation of atheism was as much about irking christian fundame...

How to end a conversation.

:rofl: This? Oh, I see. No, it's the philosophical contrivances that are poor, not the theists. Made my night, that did.

Well, that was a long time coming. A difficult call, I gather.

I don't think I gave such an explanation. Can you provide a link? 'Cause I'm not at all sure what you are referring to.

Hu? What reminds you of that? You didn't link to a quote, but to me directly.

So by "Known" you mean "true to me"? Most folk might rather say that the things they think are true are their beliefs, and admit that at least some of...

Sure. Do you know them both?

That made no sense. What reminds you...?

So do you know that you are in pain in the same sort of way you know Paris is in France?

Oh, not at all. I'm painfully aware that the philosophical contrivances of our theistic friends are post hoc. That's what explains why they are so poo...

Not so much. Having a toothache is not what I would call an intuition. For example, an intuition might be mistaken; but not a toothache. And if knowle...

SO what's that?

I don't see how these differ.

Justice is made, by us; not a gift from god.

Sure; my point is that what is expressed is not a proposition. If it is a truth, it's in the wider, older sense of being solid, firm or steadfast. Sho...

I missed (E)...? If god supports Trump, I'm joining the rebellion.

My impression, too. But lets see. It seems to be an answer to what was once called "ontological shock" - the sort of thing that inspires posts such as...

Poetry doesn't rest on propositions. Truth ranges over propositions. Whatever poetry expresses, it's perhaps not propositional truth, since that would...

Well, perhaps we might start by you explaining "supra logical speech"...? If logic is about tracking the path of truth through language, and yet supra...

No, still not to sure what you are doing. Sorry.

Ah, Tillich; something a bit new. The wiki article is not very helpful, and I'm not sufficiently intrigued to read systematic theology; can you direct...

No you’re gonna have to explain it to me

did that. Now what?

All you have shown is your confusion. But don't let me stop you. Pray, proceed.

Yep. Again, that might be valid, but since there is a possible world in which god does not exist, it would follow that god is not possible. It seems t...

Nice. Looks like something just clicked for you. I rather like the idea of all words being treated as adverbs. Iish Mightly tryly thatly.

...or without quoting someone else, it seems. If your point that, if there is a god, then he doesn't fit into our logic, then I'll agree with you; to ...

Did you think you added something to the conversation here? 'cause looks like what you did was re-state it without the possible worlds stuff.

I haven't got time for all that reading. I'm just saying that if god can be represented as an individual, an "a", in a modal system, then he does not ...

I can see that. Try "necessarily true" is defined as "true in all possible worlds". You are welcome to provide an alternate definition, but the logica...

Well, no, as those who began their training with Lemmon's Beginning logic will understand intuitively. A=A is assumed, because assuming A=~A leads to ...

Bart thinks god is not limited by logic, and hence those of us who are limited by logic tend not to engage with him.

SO were is it located - in propositional logic? Predicate calculus? What could it mean to claim causation is a logical notion - that it is a variant o...

Logic is needed in order to have the discussion, not as a consequence of the discussion. The laws of physics are a result of the discussion. So they a...

No, I'm saying nothing can be reasonably said about god.

Again, there is no clear notion of what necessary might mean, if not "true in all possible worlds". Giving us a clear notion of necessity is the point...

That can't be right. Since truth ranges only over propositions, poetry can only be the best expression.

Interesting. So from the OP, there is a possible world in which god does not exist. Hence, it is not true that it is possible that it is necessary tha...

I don't see your point.