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We use Hare-Clark. The number of valid votes is divided by the number of seats; add one. This gives a quota. Those who receive a quota are elected. Ex...

:grin: Ok, pay that.

That's the idea.

Indeed, you did. But it does, since if we do not convince those in power, the truth will unfortunately make itself plain. Truth will out. So truth mat...

Ok, it should read "If sentence 2 is false, some sentence after 2 is true".

Sure. But there's no point in pushing your solution unless it is the right one; unless it is true. You came in with: I'm saying that Trump is wrong, t...

But if the counter to lies is just alternate belief, what's the point? Isn't the point that the election was fair, vaccines do save lives, climate cha...

Stove's Gem.

Well, I am. It might help if he is able to say that Kelly-Anne Conway is wrong. That's harder to do if you are going to maintain that its belief that ...

That's exactly the distinction marked by distinguishing belief from fact.

Yeah, dude. Hence the give or take. And yep, the height changes over time. Therefore it has a height. And yep, sometimes they measure the height incor...

Mount Everest is 8,849 m heigh, give or take a metre or so. Introducing QM to a thread is a surefire way to ensure it goes for another twenty pages wi...

We won't be able to walk through the wall, no matter what we call it. That's all.

Sure, scepticism has been the fashion for quite some time. If it were kept as an attitude, as a method, there might be no issue. But folk talk of it a...

Apo has a neo-Hegelian tone that is too convenient; dialectic and pragmatism seem odd bedfellows. We had a long discussion years ago in which he insis...

This is problematic for those who want there only to be belief - perhaps that's @"T Clark" and @"Olivier5"; If all there is, is belief, then Kelly-Ann...

Well, no. It's just that if some statement turns out to be false, then it is not a fact. A fact is a true statement.

So this is just yet another thread about god. And here was I thinking it might be interesting.

Claims of "original sense" are somewhat fraught. We can go further back to the Proto-Indo-European root *dhe-, "to set, put." So arguably a fact is pu...

It seems it's not self-reference that leads to paradox. Something else is going on.

Yalbo's paradox is not reflexive.

That cockroach under your floorboards is pregnant.

And an accurate observation is... one that is true, perhaps? Hence a fact is a true observation? Indeed; but that's not right. There are unobserved fa...

:grin: I'm stealing that.

Hmm. A conditional is just shorthand for a conjunction: P?Q ? ~(P & ~Q) And what of Yalbo's paradox? No self-reference there.

The Parable of the Ulema; thanks for that. :up: Perhaps we should consider a return to paganism; or worship of the sun? Or back to animism. We need a ...

SO the next step is to work out what else they have in common...?

You think? I find it a bit sad that those hereabouts are so ready to dispatch truth to the backroom. ...but pragmatism would have us throw out the ske...

Determined to be true? Or determining one's belief as to it's truth? It occurs to me that with a deductive argument we are talking about truth, but si...

Sure, sometimes we are mistaken, but never as to the facts, only in our beliefs. And some facts are different elsewhere. None of that changes the fact...

Nor I. Assenting to a statement makes it a belief, not a fact. Being true is what makes a statement a fact, assented to or not.

Is that a fact? Obvious retort. My apologies. But it is also apparent that there are facts that are not provisional.

In a sense. In another sense a belief is just a statement that is held to be true. BOth are fine so long as we keep one eye on which we are using. The...

But that's not right. There are facts. Tomorrow will be Sunday. This post is in English.

Yep. That's the difference between facts and beliefs. Facts cannot turn out the be false. Beliefs can.

Good reply.

You can do what you like, but it seems odd to me that it might be true that 2+2=4, if it's not a fact; or that it's a fact that it snowed, but it's no...

But seeing the cat on the mat may well be enough to lead one to believe that the cat is on the mat... How would that play out? It's a fact that tomorr...

That's a different question. What I said about facts stands. But introducing knowledge brings with it belief, and to the distinctions made in my bio. ...

There's a couple of uses for the word. A fact is a statement that is true. It is also the state of affairs set out by a true statement.

Good to see your capacity to deal with disagreement remains undaunted; my estimation of your capacity in logic also remains unchanged.

Well, as pointed out by @"Srap Tasmaner", yes; if you are going to see David, then you are going to see a large marble statue. But substitution salva ...

Slam dunk.

Nor I, yours.

One way to think about it is, if P just is P?Q, then the only line in the truth table that is not a contradiction is line 1; if line 1 is true, anythi...

SO let's have a go at Yalbo's paradox. Consider the sequence: 1. Every sentence after this one is false 2. Every sentence after this one is false 3. E...

You want a formal proof, there are plenty of examples online. I was explaining to @"TheMadFool", who's not keen on formality. The odd consequences for...

A challenge. Probably not. Let P be the statement "If P is true then fish need bicycles". P is either true or false. If it is true, the antecedent is ...

Curry's paradox does not require negation.

Yep.