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Good. So we agree to moving away from a computational, representational approach to neural networking. Then in what way does

What's that mean? Neural networks are not von neumann machines. They do not manipulate symbols, they modify weightings. We agree on that, at least?

Ok, so we agree that this interchange between ourselves is not going anywhere.

More ellipsis. Yes, sometimes we use propositions.

One may describe what a neural net does in propositional terms, post hoc. But there are no propositions present in neural nets. Neural networks do not...

Hey, you win.

No, it isn't.

Neural networks do not use propositions. Hence, some explanation will be needed if they are "description-dependent".

One can see why @"Joshs" mistakes this for the thing-in-itself, or some such. "purposeful fictions" still contains the problematic "fiction"; I wonder...

...and...? What are we to conclude here? Modal Realism?

Waffle.

What motivates the neo-Luddite worldview? Disenfranchisement.

Of course that will never happen, but by all means have your rest. I'm off to lunch soon anyway, but first have to repot a passionfruit blown over by ...

Fair enough; you've so little else to work with. See ...and the conversation with @"Isaac" back a few pages. That you did not recognise the answer is ...

If your use here of "hidden states" is supposed to be the same as @"Isaac"'s, then is seems you have made a category error.

"language shaped" would be better, since firstly a corollary of the argument On the very idea... is that all languages are inter-translatable, hence i...

Why the insults?

To be sure, neural models are not representational... So that doesn't look right. So for me there is a veil that doesn't exist...? Again, that doesn't...

Thanks for the chuckle.

Can you explain the similarities? One is a mathematical simplification, the other a philosophical confusion.

An extraordinary level of delusion is needed to assert this. But too far off thread.

Seems my diagnosis is correct, at least for Janus. The "hidden state" has nothing to do with noumena. But that confusion is where this thread has wand...

Who, now? Not my area of expertise. I just use clippers over my face and head every six weeks. Is the capacity to engage in banal chat an issues of pr...

Of course it was. At you made use of the Kantian distinction between noumena and phenomena, comparing it to the distinction between neural models and ...

Really? What is it about reality that you are scared of? :wink: @"Isaac" has previously expressed acceptance of realism. I think a generous interpreta...

TIme is real, for what it's worth. You muddle words together, "real immaterial existent"... as if mortgages and emotions and theories were not real. Y...

A moment moves? But there is no time? Then what does a moment move in?

But that's obviously muddled. This post was made after yours; hence time has passed. Better to start there, don't you think, then to jump right in to ...

Yes. An incautious leap, don't you think, Joshs?

But hairdressing is central to the life of hairdressers. Would you be happy to have a group of hairdressers discussing the relative merits of.. I don'...

The survivors also tend write the history. It'd be interesting to read a history of war written by those who did not survive. I don't think it would d...

I've not been following this discussion in detail, caught up as it is in Meta's confusion. But Isaac's comment here it pretty much correct. I wouldn't...

So a thread on hairdressing would be fine for you? - what can we or do we know about such things, and practical - how hairdressing ought to influence ...

Neat summation. I like the Narnia version: The thread breaches as And as I mentioned anyone with a pinch of critical capacity would recognise the rhet...

Nothing about me without me, so due notification to @"Art48", @"Dermot Griffin", and @"aminima".

No. I'm asking for an ongoing conversation about what is proper to the forum. The Real Meaning of the Gospel is pretty terrible, Jesus Christ: A Lunat...

The present crop: The Real Meaning of the Gospel The Mold Theory of Person Gods The Fine-Tuning Argument as (Bad) an Argument for God Divine Hiddennes...

Sure, an interesting life. My interest in Tarski comes from his use in Davidson and thereafter. If his ideas had no application outside of formal syst...

Sure, Tarski likes formal theories. But it's the use of his ideas in wider philosophical discussions that made him his name. It's why I'm interested i...

Tarski's schema is the most influential idea in philosophical analysis of truth. See the SEP article, which lists the classical theories, then talks a...

Cheers. Interesting. Seems you got the good one.

The network of folk with disabilities in which I'm involved has grown over the last few years to include folk from outside Australia. One of the thing...

These are not mutually incompatible... For my part I remain at the point of departure, where truth is not definable beyond the functionality found in ...

@"TonesInDeepFreeze" my apologies; I'm packing much too much into each post. There is no specific question here for you, rather I am using you to soun...

say mid p159. Gupta takes ? (p.158) as a canonical expression in his examination of pathological definitions. (Edit) I think... (1) in https://www.jst...

Wider context, again. I'm referring to the difficulties Tarski discusses from bottom of p. 157 here. These must be addressed in order to broaden the c...

Not in the way I used it. Your background read it that way... :wink: Set it aside as a moot point.

Yeah; I didn't notice that until a second reading, so at first I misunderstood you as being categorical. @"Michael" made a point of these in another t...

Sure. I chose "list" by way of avoiding using a technical term, hence checking the applicability of the notions involved to natural languages. The lis...

Cheers. I keep responding to your previous point... The thing about the first is, is it incontrovertible. Hence, it can serve as a definition of "...i...