Thorongil

And my point is that, in addition to being sufficient, guns are the best means of self-defense in many cases.

I think this is mostly true, but the preamble to the second amendment doesn't negate, and wasn't meant to negate, an individual right to bear arms. Th...

It's been tried. Didn't work.

Quite. But I've been responding to several people in this thread, all of whom disagree with me (and more than that, think that I'm an evil maniac), so...

What? Don't be obtuse. Guns are sufficient for self-defense. Dispute that claim or go away.

You didn't respond to me when making that post. I'll look at it shortly.

Sure. My point remains either way.

Thanks for the catch. I notice you didn't dispute what I said, though. ;)

Buy it? It's in stock, mein Freund.

Yeah, and sometimes a gun is the most sufficient. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocat...

Hardy har har.

You're right. Squirt guns and pepper spray would have been so much more effective in all those cases. What was I thinking?

It is necessary. Hundreds of thousands of times a year.

No. That clearly isn't an appropriate means of self-defense. The average citizen didn't own a cannon to protect himself.

Or their rough equivalents that are appropriate means of self-defense.

You said one thing in the Shoutbox, which you then contradicted here. I'm just calling it like I see it. You also ignored the first half of my post. S...

If you insist on playing this game, I guess banning guns makes all the rape, murder, and theft that people would have otherwise been able to ward off ...

Oh, I see. Looked at in that light, it seems I was right about the persecution complex.

How should I know? I hate to break it to you, but I'm not actually a mind reader.

A case in point concerning my comments about leftist tactics: The last one sounds like a threat. Maybe I should buy a gun to protect myself.

Well, when interpreting the second amendment, one has to bear in mind the historical context in which it was written. The only guns that existed at th...

Yes.

Banning such weapons doesn't infringe on said right, correct.

Why do you assume that it's the second amendment that causes gun deaths? Take a look here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-...

Ordinarily, this might be a good reason (one I doubt you sincerely hold), but it's not in this case, because the second amendment is grounded in the n...

Hey @"Baden", what was that about feeling persecuted?

A distinction without a difference. Baden both does wish for the second amendment to be repealed as well as for guns to be banned. The reason he didn'...

How condescending of you.

I love it. The clear implication being: "if you don't agree with what I want done, you're not doing anything and don't want to do anything." Leftist t...

I was responding to this false statement you made: "So I put it that the lack of regulation on firearm use is what is unconstitutional, and not the ot...

Just look at you squirm here! It does refer to "some manner" of regulation, yes, but not the kind Pelosi et al want. That was precisely the point I ju...

God you're annoying.

You said: "So I put it that the lack of regulation on firearm use is what is unconstitutional, and not the other way around." This is bizarre. The "re...

I also like how it's three against one and not one of you has refuted anything I've said. Just straw men and attacks on my character. While not surpri...

There was an "or" followed by another possibility that you have now conveniently ignored. I never said anyone was planning to ban guns. I said I can i...

No you don't. You're purposely overreacting to make me appear crazy. Baden in the Shoutbox the other day said that he wouldn't wish to repeal the seco...

It is. I see no alternative explanation of her words from you here. What a lovely thing to say. It's the kind of thing I've seen the mods delete befor...

I just cited a quote from Pelosi, the meaning of which could not be more clear. Try again.

What you say here is bizarre. Find me the person who said, "I prefer that the current murderous state of affairs stays as it is."

I don't know. I think it should be prohibited. The point is that the NRA is not monolithically opposed to any and all gun regulations, as was suggeste...

But so would banning all guns or passing regulations that make it nearly impossible to own one be unconstitutional, since the amendment presupposes gu...

It was believed by the founders who wrote the amendment. They literally just said they supported potential regulations on bump stocks. They have never...

Correct. Well, yes, there is a difference between deism and theism. But deists and theists do still believe in God, they just differ about whether God...

Theists do actually minimally conceive of God as the absolute source of being.

He's wrong.

No. You're using it in the non-standard sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule

He's a figure in liberal Christianity, which is a relatively new development in the history of Christianity that really only exists in the mainline Pr...

Actually, in a way I am. If you keep making posts on themes that assume anti-natalism's truth, keep getting the same responses that criticize it, but ...

No. He distinguishes between two different kinds of theism, rejecting one and arguing for the other. Have you read him yet? So you do know what I mean...

Because you're missing a premise (or more than one) that links God's immateriality with an inability on our part to prove his existence.