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By "defend yourself" I was signaling that I didn't outright agree, but also didn't outright disagree. I agree.

The idea that "the artist statement justifies the work itself".

Hmmm, defend yourself.

I don't mind a good title; hell, I love a good title to a novel. But what I'm against is when the artist tells me what their work means. Stop being so...

Sure, but they are also provided at art museums, and at musical performances. They exist beyond academia; they exist in the artistic wild.

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But are you not ashamed of your piddly 50 pages? And yeah, I voted, probably like 3 years ago.

New name ideas: Soars Flies Majestically Rises

I agree, and feel like I need to make it clear I'm not a JBP fanboy. He's stated that he's loaded. He's made bank on his ideas. But it's clear that he...

Reminds me of the I Ching. Or Kairos over Chronos.

No, I don't know how you felt.

I'm too naive, as always. To treat any human being the way you treat Peterson demonstrates that you have no sense of what it means to be human. No hum...

Damn, Clapton can "rot". (Historically, not as a human being).

Ah. So you agree that your sentiment "now he can rot" is included in the list of sentiments about Peterson I quoted that illustrate that people are wi...

What?

I neglected to quote it, but the sentiment "now he can rot" is included.

Here's a piece of music that reminds me that no one is damned; no one is un-human. :heart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFC5Kz-VQg

I've honestly never understood the staying power of this thread. Is it a doppelgänger of the shoutbox? Do 50 pages compare to 900? I call on @"Hanover...

What exactly makes people hate Jordan Peterson enough to say these things about... any human being?

Removing "in the first place" should clear things up, I would think. In other words, the question is non sensical.

I have no idea.

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Can I spam in this thread? I put this record out in Nov... check it out FFS y'all! https://matthewanderson.bandcamp.com/album/the-window

The problem is that this vaguely poetic/emotional tone is supposed to resonate with us.

Here's a reminder about what good art is. I figure we need these, every 19 pages or so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOnfQd-aTw

Word, I guess I missed that genial attitude in your initial posts... must have been my mistake...? regardless, Tarkovsky is a master of presenting rea...

Why talk about Tarkovsky if you're not familiar with his work?

You responded to me posting a Tarkovsky clip with "Why not try to break that down like a poem? Dot points. What are it’s qualities, what does it allud...

No, I felt like you were trying to instruct me, apparently about things you don't know about; i.e. Tarkovsky. So in other words, why waste space with ...

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You're right in the sense that it does require interpretation. But "dot points" got me riled up; dot points are high school teacher non-sense, as are ...

Interesting juxtaposition. Do you find one more arresting over the other? I'm not well versed in political cartoon-ism.

Because then what makes it art is gone.

"What is art?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sWGmsi_wFw

Being inspired by what you see is not art.

We have a classic thread reviver.

I would step back further and say that the work presented isn't even good in itself because of the political ramifications. For the audience (who alre...

I certainly don't disagree. The distinction I'd make is being active (creation) vs. passive (experiencing as an audience member). Edit: but I think I ...

I think that's an oversimplification. Why does someone like or dislike something? This goes back to the concept of a direct aesthetic experience. Not ...

Sorry, can't resist. It is what you said; I quite literally re ordered your sentence in a clearer way; this is not disputable.

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Just clarifying. That being the case, if I were to rephrase the statement in a clearer way, as in "the best explanation of why reason would disapprove...

Does "she" refer to reason?

Circular argument my friend.

lol

Not to keep agreeing with you (which is boring around here), but what I think makes the majority of political art "bad" is that it has a concrete, dir...

To be clear, this isn't what I'm saying by "higher purpose". I don't have any answers as to what the higher purpose is, I just am of the conviction th...

Right. I'm more experienced in art than philosophy myself, and I find that there's two truths to the creative process. One is that disciplined, steady...

So more like theory over direct experience/creativity? Are you talking about the creative process as an artist, or as the experience as an audience me...

By "muck" are you talking about personal baggage, etc? I would say that certainly has to play an integral role, and it doesn't have to be the stereoty...