The Last Word
For those former members of PF, you will recall one of the most important discussions we had was a thread I started where there was a competition for who could be the last poster on that thread. Every time someone declared themselves a winner, they were until the next person added something.
So here's the issue. Can someone go over there and find that thread and see who won now that PF is belly up?
I'm going to make a poll about this:
So here's the issue. Can someone go over there and find that thread and see who won now that PF is belly up?
I'm going to make a poll about this:
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I understand this and I admire this, but surely there are limitations to it, perhaps even your awareness of the fact that something you read, something you heard or spoke about helped articulate it without being conscious that in fact it was this improvement in your thought or opinion that helped shape that self-awareness. You can paint a picture and it may have no words, but it could symbolise something that interconnects or pieces together the puzzle.
Quoting T Clark
My issue is that I believe you failed to understand my argument and have simply injected your personal experiences on the subject - which I respect - without consideration to what is exactly being discussed, and that makes me doubt the integrity of your position. I need more than that.
Quoting T Clark
When you look at an image, say for instance the swastika, it does not have words but it explains something evil, bad, and thus it is actually speaking but without having to say anything. We create meaning and we communicate this or understand this and incorporate it into our subjective interpretations; we see an object, we interpret it and give it meaning. We have experienced, we have been taught, we understand that it is evil and nothing else needs to be explained. If someone wears the swastika on their arm, they are telling you something. It is communication, that is point.
Your intuition is there to tell you something you already understand but sometimes the capacity to interpret is not there, it is blurred and we're unable to understand or make a relation, the discourse is missing. What you have in your mind is completely different to what you feel. If you grow up in an environment, for instance, where your parents taught you very racist things, and when grown up you encounter the object of this disdain, you will feel hatred or fear for that person and not know why and you can try and articulate justifications (look at holocaust deniers), but there is a broken narrative between the two.
That is clearly an extreme case, but it explains the dynamic that leaves one experiencing the emotions without adequately understanding why at a rational level. One needs to go back, the reflective practice that takes those emotions to try and link it with the past experience and that means talking about the past, reflecting, being honest with yourself. This is how you challenge and change yourself and start articulating rationally with yourself in order to transcend those experiences, familiarise yourself with a past that has become embedded into your psyche without you knowing why.
It is not to say that my experience is not as you say, it is. But only partially. The dynamics is much more complex than that, hence the relationship.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink:_The_Power_of_Thinking_Without_Thinking
I've not read it, but I own it. I thought I could blink and immediately know what it said.
Quoting TimeLine
I'd say the same for everything, including rocks and sticks. Everything is a representation. The distinction between the rock that you see and the word "rock" is arbitrary. Both are knowable only as symbols.
POW! That was your mind blowing. :fire:
Of course. It would be laughable for me to deny I am a person of words. Words bubble from my brain and out my mouth continually. Continuously. If I close my mouth, they bubble out my nose and ears. My fingers for goodness' sake. I am moved and influenced by words all the time. I come to the forum for the words and ideas - to express mine and read others'.
For me, the experience, what we are calling intuition, comes first. Much of the experience never gets put into words. There's no need. Lao Tzu writes about "action without action." Much of what I do is without conscious intention or motivation. Sometimes it does get put into words. Generally, that's a matter of communication - I communicate my experiences to others but probably more often to myself. Sometimes, often, for me, that's a self-destructive thing. Words overwhelm the experience and it gets lost.
Yes, of course, all the time I read things that I recognize immediately. That clarify my own thoughts and experiences and lead me off in new directions. You won't find me ever denying the value of words and ideas. I love them. I am them. That's probably why they are so much of a problem for me. Our weaknesses are our strengths. Our strengths are our weaknesses.
Quoting TimeLine
I don't think I misunderstood it. I don't even reject it or deny it. My only point is that it's not the only way. It's not my way. I called it blindness because you don't seem to be able to see that.
Quoting TimeLine
I don't really disagree with this description of the process - re-experiencing feelings from a position of strength rather than weakness so I can deal with them. For me, that's an act of surrender, acceptance. Facing the emotion without protection, justification. Opening myself to whatever damage it can do. It seems to me that for you it's different. Why would I expect that it wouldn't be?
Quoting TimeLine
I'm not claiming your experience is the same as mine, although I think we have a lot in common. Just this - there is more than just one path. There are more than two.
I wonder if our differences don't just come down to the idea of action without action. Acting, living, without conscious reflection. Action flowing from the heart directly to the arm holding the hammer. I make no claim I live my life that way on any consistent basis, but I know what it feels like and I know I'm happier and better when I do.
I'm not saying it's the path you should follow. You couldn't if you wanted to. It's not your way.
My interpretation of reason is an acknowledgement of what you already know because your intuition is a form of communication and how that intuition manifests without words does not make it without meaning formed by prior experiences, symbolic in nature. How you reach that acknowledgement appears blurred to you, as though you just "blinked" and there you are. A martial artist practices, learns through trial and error until they reach that point where what they learn is forgotten and it becomes a part of them, embedded to an almost instinctual level. You are ignoring everything about that process, as though suddenly he just has that skill. Language and how you speak is the same. That is what action without action is and it is telling that you speak of Lao Tzu and yet speak of a schism between reason and intuition, the very philosophy of unity.
Quoting T Clark
You have produced zero arguments, quite literally, nothing at all other than "this is my way and you are blind" and while I am trying to have a conversation where I have already mentioned that this communication between reason and intuition involves a number of factors, you are still fluffing on about something you failed to understand. You haven't and I highly doubt can even explain what "your way" is and I have read over your posts wondering whether you are even talking to me.
Quoting T Clark
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Is not that distinction still dependent on a linguistic structure? Indeed, these connections are learned because what is communicated is always a learning process over time but the problem is not the signifier but the signified, what is understood. Using arbitrary icons misses the point, basically.
I'm disappointed. I thought you and I could reach an understanding if not agreement. From my side, it feels as though I am trying to find common ground while you are resisting.
As I said at the beginning, my main purpose here is to present my understanding to my own satisfaction, which I didn't think I had done before. Now I feel as though I have. Anything more I say will just be repetition.
My house is on fire. My fire is on house.
Oh, Sapientia, you little dickens. You're so cute. I just want to pinch your cheek.
No, shut the bloody door was always the last words I heard as I left the house.
Tad bit awkward. :brow:
I remember that one! Followed quickly by "Quit slamming the front door!". It was a no win situation!
Irony? Both kids slammed the door UNTIL the oldest started staying the night at his girlfriend's house (she still lives at home) and now, all of a sudden, he is VERY good at taking the time to close the door silently. :kiss:
He still gets busted coming home late because Rotties are around and have a tendency to announce people coming in the door in the middle of the night. :wink:
My first words where: ”I’m Thirsty”
Somehow I think my last words will be something like: ”That’s not exactly what I had in mind...” Or: ”Well that was interesting...”
Or I woud likely say: "Hmm I wonder what that button does?" :lol:
Mine would probably be "OH well, WTF."
Not sure exactly what you mean. Linguistic structure includes my dog scratching at the door, which is no more or less an arbitrary icon as the sounds "let me out." The phenomenal state of the door is also just as much an icon, a representation of something real.
I was thinking about you today. Do you remember how you once said to me that I am someone who has her hand over a flame just to see how long I can keep it there? When you said that to me, I don't think you realised just how taken aback I was, so profound was the impact of those words because it explained so much about what I was doing up until that moment and I was able to acknowledge more about my character than you can imagine.
I am moving house, but I never explained why I am in this area first place; I came because it had a lot of bad memories for me and there were people - family members and others - who have wronged me who also live in the area. I needed to be here. I used to have nightmares that I was being chased by leopards; it was like I stopped and faced them instead. My presence was my way of saying that I am strong and that I have no fear. I was never allowed to verbally express myself to these people because they never listened or never heard me, but I made them listen through my presence. I never knew, though, that was the reason that I was here, not until you said that to me.
I had feelings for this man, I really liked him but in a very gentle way, a very kind and affectionate one and from a distance. I just wanted to impress him a little but his response was vicious and he bit me for no good reason. I hid away in pain and covered the wound. Years passed and the dressing I had over the wound was still on until Hanover ripped it off and reminded me that the man never liked me at all and he was just along for the ride. I imagined that I was still wounded only to see that I had actually healed but I wasn't aware until it was taken off; I healed myself unknowingly until it was made known.
This man is in a relationship with a 'Kardashian' kind of girl, a girl who gets plastic surgery and is all into cosmetics and everyone around him applauds and congratulates him for being with such an empty person. I realised that I already knew he was not the right person for me, because I would never like a man who would be that way, a man who has no courage to follow his heart and is a crowd pleaser. I can only love someone I admire and though I wanted him to be that man, he wasn't. I unknowingly did all those things to him because I knew that he was not right for me, but I was not aware of why I was doing that.
So we're on the same page, I understand why you think that intuition precedes reason, but I believe that the language here becomes embedded within that we form as we grow up, as we experience and as we are conditioned and while we think it is independent or separate from all of that as it is the very language of 'you' or 'I' or the language of the real self, intuition does have a language but it requires some self-reflective practice, as though a delay exists before we can acknowledge why we did it.
What you wrote here is beautiful~
Thank you for the response. It means a lot to me. I felt like I had let you down.
I want to be very clear about something - I have never met anyone whose moral judgment I trust more than I trust yours.
Dear Boss:
Lone Wolf is in need of a personal day, a perk day, a mental day, call it what you will but she needs it and will return to work as soon as she is rested.
Thank you in advance for your understanding~
Dr. Feel Better
I will trade you. I have a Rottie in season with two unfixed males at the ranch. I literally cannot turn my back to shut the door while rotating them from location to location before he is attempting fornication. I haven't slept in days and my wick is more than frayed........help meeeeeeeeeeeee
Have compassion. Give him a leg. My dog liked crawling over bushes. You could see it in his face how much he enjoyed it. :lol:
So, I am on the hunt for a new dog! I probably wont move into a new place until I get back from overseas because life is just to hectic right now, but I hope to get a place with a backyard. I'm thinking Golden Retriever. They are my favourite. :hearts:
No. :angry: Compassion ran out 72 hrs ago.
Quoting TimeLine
Don't do it. They will keep you up for days on end. :groan:
Quoting TimeLine
They are just as 'doggy'. :shade:
Quoting TimeLine
Sleep. Sleep is my minimum, a favorite at times but is not around now. :yawn:
Does Fred know he is getting the bill? :lol:
@Hanover Paid with a boner? :rofl:
A year in jail or a year with your ex?
Rut roo. Are you giving it time to heal?
Bend your ankle to where your toe touches your shin. When you hear the click-clack sound, you're all better.
Wow no way.
I sure hope you have a ranch hand to help you out as you STAY off of your foot.
How's the foot?
Ughhh...will it heal on it's own?
A banana before you got to bed should keep the spasms at bay. The other thing you can do is take Magnesium, slow release Magnesium if you can find it. It loosens the muscles.
Amputation is a possibility but not probable. Can I get you a beer to keep you busy resting your foot?
:gasp: How old do you need to be where you live?
:rofl: Like keeping our guns maybe? :rofl:
OK, so someone then has the liberty to kill others with a machete and like it.
Admit that it is a stupid thing to say or I will post another 100 example to show you are wrong.
I received today as a gift a bottle of local made cocoa wine, never tried it before. I'll let you know the results.
How was the Coco Vino?
How is the hoof?
Excellent! You will be up and galloping soon! :up:
Hope so! :flower:
Just buried another Pom. That's three in three months. Unrelated causes. I feel like the Job of dog owners.
Time to get some chickens.
That's an insensitive comment. I'd cut your head off but no doubt you'd still live.
And, yes, I'll get some chickens.
Either way I'm sorry about the loss.
Cheers. :up:
First was a freak(-ish) accident where the dog got caught under a basin in the heat while we were out and got heat stroke. Second was a virus. Third, the latest, a poisoning of some sort. This is only the last three months. We lost three others to car accidents, one to a self-strangulation, another to another poisoning, one to a disease caused by flea bites, and several puppies.
In short, we're cursed.
Oh, thanks. We've got one Pom and a Siberian Husky left. After that, it's chickens all the way down.
:pray:
Lovely house of horrors you live in.
OK, yes, I killed them all.
We've got nice curtains though.
How's Fred?
How's your cat doing? Did you make her fat and plumpy?
The horror. D:
*clucks silently*
Spare @Noble Dust, take me instead!
*clucking intensifies*
Noooo!
Noble Dust was just eaten and you sent your starved cat to Gitmo. Have some human decency!
Oh, your an owl, my apologies.
Human decency is for humans.
:gasp:
Oh, save us, now Noble Dust and I will be eaten again!
No, I already ate both of you. Dunno how you are talking...
*cluck*
Crows crow.
If you haven't noticed. I'm a chicken.
And ducks don't cluck either, they quack. It just was not poetically pleasing. :wink:
I am so sorry to hear this Baden~ :heart:
Thanks, Tiff.
I once watched a mockingbird attacking a cat. Swooping down making cat noises and driving it crazy. It looked like she was doing it just for fun. I've always liked mockingbirds.
I once watched a mockingbird get eaten by a cat. Cats like mockingbird too.
That's one thing we can all agree on!
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Thank you for listening!
KFM?
The pet food of the future?
Nah, feed them Ravens and let Poe or Schrödinger work it out.
Thanks, man. :hearts:
Your coworkers? The animal world? One in the same?
While mucking, I have noticed a commonality between the two... :rofl:
Hm? :brow:
You've hit the 666 post number count. Quickly post something to remove that scary number!
*pig grows worried*
Oh your safe now.
*pig goes back to wallowing*
Who likes cheese?
I love a good brie :up:
I would kill a Hanover for a piece of that right now.
By "kill" do you mean spending an amazing weekend in Milan buying shoes and dancing into the wee hours of the morning or do you mean ending my life. Your post is a little unclear.
Speaking of Milan:
"The greater the ambiguity, the greater the pleasure." - Milan Kundera
Where are you?
Hi Tiff,
Sorry I have not been around recently but I have been really busy. I have looked in a few times but I did not want to start participating in anything if I could not continue.
I hope to have some free time at the end of the month when I have 2 weeks of vacation. Maybe there will be something interesting to post in then.
See you around
Such an adorable pup!
Don't let @Baden pup sit for you! :smirk:
Cheese!
These threads never die, they continue into eternal Nirvana. :cool:
:love:
With strawberry jam on top.
Madness!
So be it. You can't have your cake and ice cream too.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Just save some for later. :halo:
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It's discrimination, I tell you.
How do you know there will be a later?
Quick down shift and then into the low speed gears got the speed down enough for the hand brake to stop. That is why I would never own an automatic vehicle.
A guy I know almost killed himself in Mexico towing a boat, he did not know that you can lock an automatic truck in first gear to go downhill. Actually shit himself and had to stop to reline the brakes he burned out.
OK, that is one problem solved.
No. You only have to go backwards until the place you departed from your plan and then continue forward along the original route.
I think so anyway, not really sure. :smile:
Yayyyy Waya!!!! Well done! :party:
Yes, I think you are right. So I am returning to school since my youngest is starting his second year of college and my eldest is moving out of the ranch.
NicK says he would like to see nothing more than my wanting to do that, for me and my desire to help people. A bit nervous, a bit excited, a bit intimidated but plenty of energy and desire.
Go for it girl, the world awaits you.
My Mom has walked a similar path as your better half.
I am not going to let fear of failure discourage me this time but I am scared. :meh:
Cake must be rationed.
:cheer:
Bollocks. You have no authority to do that. :rage:
Cake is inherently good. Thus it must be rationed.
My logic is flawless.
:halo:
Cake is fattening, tooth rotting and made from flour that is contaminate with all sorts of waste, therefore it is not inherently good. Thus it should not be rationed.
How can anyone hate cake???
:cry:
No one hates cakes. But loving them does not make them inherently good.
Now leave the bloody things alone and let us get on this rotting our teeth and growing our waistlines and butts
But pancakes are inherently good and safer on the wasteline and teeth no?
No, the cake is definitely good, that is why it is a bad idea to ration it. But it is not inherently good, just good.
Eerrrrr, why would anyone want to brush their teeth? :gasp:
No and NO.
Well I agree to disagree with you, Sir2u...
I insist that cakes and particularly pancakes are inherently good.
I can agree to that.
Quoting Posty McPostface
OK, so prove it.
Tis perfect, especially chocolate. :blush:
As for your teeth, I shan't look. :monkey:
What's to prove, just take a bite of some pancakes or a cheesecake!
Yes, good. Maybe even great. Who would want to miss out on a big slice of chocolate cake with fudge filling? I can't imagine anyone turning it down.
Hence it is inherently good. :blush:
A lot of people think that heroin is better than chocolate, thus it is very inherently good.
What are the properties of cake that makes it inherently good? As opposed to "everyone likes it"
I noticed, if I recollect correctly, that even since the old PF, you've been against cakes and pancakes, of all!, being inherently good.
Where does this prejudice stem from? Perhaps, I've unearthed something afflicting your psyche after all these random exchanges between us about inherently good cakes or pancakes. (?)
Eat some cake, your memory is failing you. Nope, I have nothing at all against cupcakes, big cakes, cheese cakes, ice cream cakes, nor pancakes. I love all of them. :love:
I do have something against people that say things are inherently good though, because that implies that somethings might be inherently bad.
But you are, at least, a likable person so I ask again. Why inherent?
Why not just bloody marvelous?
Well, I figure based on what you said, about everyone liking some cake or pancake, that they might posses the property of being inherently good. I don't know a person who hates cakes or pancakes for the matter. Though, it could be one of those black swan cases where I might be wrong.
Let's just agree that cakes and pancakes approach the convergence limit of being inherently good, but never reaches it?
I think that's a deal?
So now that we have the problem of cakes being banned solved, we can have cake to celebrate out deal. And I want chocolate fudge ice cream on top of mine. :up:
And I am always right.
Quoting Sir2u
Ok, fine. If rationing meaning banning something that approaches the property of being inherently good, then I don't see how anyone could make any sense out of my babble. I'm probably right about this too...
Yes, those are almost inherently good too. :blush:
Don't you agree that they should be rationed also? If one we're to gluttonously indulge in eating cookies and not leave any for later, then that's not a good situation, I think?
Oh, dear. You ate all the cookies? :worry:
:halo:
I don't know about that. I hate studying. Never really studied anything in my life. My mind works by starting with general premises and just playing out scenarios with them until I arrive at some conclusion that is coherent with what is being presented in class.
If something is hard, I guess change the method? Mine is just to rationalize everything into constituents, form a big picture, and then try and fill in the rest.
This method failed me in upper divi classes at uni; but, just throwing what worked for me until I got there.
How do you study?
Agreed. :cool:
Hmm, good memory I figure. Although my method is cumbersome, it does lead to a deeper understanding of what is being presented in class. I just need to think my way through it on my own. Unfortunately, my "processor" isn't really that fast. So, it can take a while, and I often get left behind when the class starts delving into deeper concepts or ideas about some subject.
Oh, you with those sunglasses. Haha!
Cus I is coool, don u know.
Of course you are!
:razz:
With so many phones in class rooms, why don't students record the teacher so that they can study at home? they could pause and even replay then.
Yeah, I used to think I could pull off those online lectures; but, then the other problem came about of not being able to pay attention and not getting the other large percentage of missed material that you get just by sitting in class and putting yourself in that mindset of processing through material the lecturer presents to you.
I'm a mixed bag, as you can tell.
Yeah, there's no substitute for going to class and just listening to a lecturer give you the big picture or at least a fragment of it, and then putting the pieces together once at rest or out of class. So, for me it's listen->reason through->put the parts together->learn.
Yeah, but, there's really no "slow down" in college, haha. Unless, I just take a lighter load, so there's that at least I can count on. Anyway, I kind of ruled out college, at the moment. It's either do philosophy or nothing, and at the moment, nothing doesn't come with a huge debt, so nothing it is.
But I mean, why are we here? What is the reasoning behind our existence? To fulfill someone else's (our parent's) need to procreate? That seems a bit selfish when I think about it too long. Frankly once again it is when I am alone with my thoughts that unanswerable, philosophical questions/pondering/quandaries seem to occupy an otherwise gentle mind. Why in times of crisis do the unanswerable questions come to the forefront? Is it to show that there are other questions of the same magnitude, that still remain unanswered for a lot of us? If not all of us, if I am to include the absolute truth that none of us here knows what really happens after we cease living.
@Sir2u Do you really believe that someone looking for help with their homework is "cheating"? Because if you do than maybe others will think that about me when I ask for help... :yikes:
Oh, congratulations, Tiff! :party:
Having been a teacher I can tell you the way we tend to look at it is that if you have made a full effort and in order to get further you need help then that help is legitimate (as long as someone is not actually doing the work for you).
Thank You! :flower:
I really think it's a matter of self-moderation on the part of participants and the poster, in regards to posting help with homework. I don't think a blanket ban on those topics is useful here. I don't recall any significant issues arising due to this in the old forum. I could be wrong here.
No significant issues arose because, apart from logic problems, homework help was strictly banned in the old forum too. Again, posters can learn from each other by getting involved in discussions or asking questions.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/3934/is-this-argument-form-valid-contradiction-through-disjunctive-syllogism
I agree with a self moderation of a Homework section. I can't see it getting out of control when people are asking questions.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
WAY TO GO GIRL, get out there and kick ass.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
I had no idea that Baden had been a teacher, I might of been able to get some ideas from him if I had.
I agree with him on this, getting help and getting someone to do the work are two completely different things.
One of my favorite topics( I am teaching computer class right now) is EXCEL. Many students really have no idea what to do even after receiving class for a couple of years, What I always look for in any of the work they present is the intention of getting the job done. Wrong formulas do not usually reduce the score greatly if you can see where they made the mistakes, but any old formula that has nothing to do with the work will get a zero. Excel is also one of the easiest programs to cheat in, a sideways glance will get you a formula from the next persons screen, so the teacher has to have an idea of the students abilities. I have tricks to stop this happening too much but I still see a D student coming up with an A answer occasionally.
In a classwork assignment a few weeks ago there was a shuffling of notebooks all around the lab and a silence that was scary. Someone had worked out a way to solve the problem they were working on and they were passing it around. When they got the results they were pissed of at someone because he had given the wrong answer and they had all copied it. Only one in four had they same problem but all had the same answer. I could not stop laughing while reviewing.
Brings back memories. :lol:
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Might be time to batten down the hatches.
If you have an extra moment of thought or prayer, if you could help me speak to the Heavens above to call my Dad home~
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My heart is breaking as I pray for him to leave.... :broken: :pray:
They have discontinued his antipsychotic meds that he has been on as long as I have been alive. Not tittering it down, just stopping it on a dime. <shaking my head>
For what purpose? To what end?
We get more test results today. We find out the bone biopsy to find out if my Dad of 76 yrs has Leukemia? Bone Cancer? Spinal Meningitis? What fucking difference does it make? Do they really think he is going to make it through Radiation or Chemotherapy? To return to what?
They discontinued his antibiotics so as top not "mask" the results of tests. In the meantime a week ago his WBC was 18k, IV meds got it down to 14k and now it is back up to 20k which means his body is fighting something.
It is really, really flippin hard to pray that one of these tests come back positive so he is given a "terminal diagnosis" of which Parkinson's is not and an ability to bring in Hospice which will provide another set of eyes on my Dad as they plan on shipping him back to the nursing home once they get the test results. My Dad's wife is talking my Dad lasting another 4 years.... ??????????
So I am pondering a lot, having a hard time being alone with my thoughts, feeling lost with all this happening in Chicago with me so far away and damnitr…. its destroying me.
More than once in the last week I have thought about going to the hospital up the street, just so I can be around people who understand personal times of crisis because I look like a fool crying in public and NicK can only offer so much listening before he is tired of hearing about it.
And my Mom, my Golden Hospice Angel that walks among us, well I think my leaning on her for guidance about what all these tests mean and my brother needing an explanation as to what Hospice will and won't do for my Dad, her first husband, has gotten to be too much for her and her current husband of the last 30 yrs. Maybe it is just her watching her children go through stress of losing a parent, maybe it is her watching her first husband and our Dad, try to pass to the other side and not being respected. I am not really sure, all I know is that in a time in my life, that I have needed a little bit of good Karma to come my way, it's not arriving.
Am I being selfish in wishing my Dad a peaceful transition?
That's torturous and awful all round. I don't think you're being selfish btw. Nor do I think is there any point in punishing yourself further by thinking you might be. You are all suffering more than enough.
Best regards to you and your father, however this turns out.
My Dad has been diagnosed with Bone Cancer, Pancreatic Cancer, Liver Cancer all advanced Stage 4 and a spot on one Kidney they believe to be Cancer. As a result of the terminal diagnosis, we decided to, as a family, discontinue seeking any further medical treatment.
Sunday we signed on Hospice so he is back at the nursing home and resting. He was eating 20% of his food and a little water but yesterday they found food pocketed in his mouth from the night before. For that reason they have discontinued any more food. He can no longer swallow, so they have discontinued all fluids. He is on Oxygen only for comfort and Morphine every 2 hours as needed. Since he cannot comunicate, they are going to be pretty liberal with the Morphine. They have Lorazapam on order in the event that his breathing gets labored. There have been friends and family visiting since 3 weeks ago but much more frequently now. There is no bedside vigil but that is only because I am not there yet.
I had to choose between going in for the rapid decline and staying here in AZ, to work a job, to earn the money to pay for the trip. I cancelled my job and then asked for it back, knowing that Dad is going to have who he wants there when he passes. If he wants me there, it will be, if not then I will have to find peace somewhere within me.
As I sob here, alone with my furry clients, in a place that is close to Heaven, I sincerely Thank each and every one of you that have helped me along this journey. It is not over but the destination is clear, my Dad's journey is now between he and his God, as he wanted it to be.
I am weak my friends and I don't know how to do this. I am begging for the grace of good people to know my heart's true intentions and to find comfort somewhere within the silence of endearing huggs.
Damn I need a hug....
I'll give you a hug, Tiff. *Hug* :hearts:
Hugs Baden :hearts:
He is out of pain and whole again. :heart: :heart: :heart:
Thank you for your love my friends~
My condolences, Tiff.
Sincere condolences. :flower:
Thank you kindly for your condolences. :hearts:
She "cannot make it" to the private family viewing this morning before cremation because she has a "Doctor's Appointment"? :rage:
Are you duckin kidding me? A "Doctor's Appointment"? During the last time you will see your husband?
@Hanover
@Ciceronianus the White
This one, inspired by Psalm 23 ( https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+23&version=KJV):
I was thinking about asking this song to be played along with Ave Maria and Amazing Grace and it turns out the members of the Motab (The Mormon Tabernacle Choir) are not all that into the Dead. Go figure! I'll be singing it loud and clear! Cause I don't care! :flower: :heart: :flower:
May Peace and Love prevail. :heart:
@Posty McPostface :flower: :flower: :flower:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! <<<Did you hear that cause my dogs are howling now! Buahahaha pays to get up early!
How are your classes going?
Now ask me who.... :zip:
I see you.
So did I though I had the grace not to say so. :halo:
Hang in there. I'm sure he wasn't worth you. :strong:
I agree.
I'm sorry to hear @Waya. I hope you can accomplish what you set your mind to because I know you can.
Take refugee behind me dear forest friend, for I am a daughter of Mother Nature and her wrath is something men seem to respect. :fire:
Point me in the right direction of this fool.... :brow:
Thanks, but I still care about him...
That's all I wanted to say.
Much appreciated.
Awww Posty~~ Might you have disconnected a line that needs to be connected? I understand how someone can feel as though they are not worthy of loving attention but that is a recorded, outdated voice running though your head that needs to be overwritten.
Play with me here: List off ten things that you like about yourself:
Such as: List off ten things I like about myself;
1) I having a loving nature
2) I have witty comebacks
3) I have gorgeous brown eyes
4) I have a great deal of empathy for other people
5)……. you can see a few examples of a list of qualities I like about myself.
Now, you have to actually WRITE down the list, on a piece of paper and keep it in your pocket. Every time, not sometimes, not some of the time, not most of the time but I mean EVERY time you hear that negative voice talking to you in your head (we all have that inner voice and I am not talking about "hearing voices" as a patient diagnosed with Schizophrenia might have) EVERYTIME you pull out that list and read the full ten sentences aloud or if in public to yourself, ALL ten. If you DO it EACH and EVERY time, you will find two things: one, you have a lot of self talk going on in your head and two; after you pull that list out a few dozen times in the first hour, that you are repeating the same, outdated lines in your head. THOSE are the ones that will be re-recorded with the ten you have listed.
It works.
It is CBT.
YOU are worth the effort.
It can be done while wallowing.
The result might be that you will see what others see and that is you are worthy of loving.
I completely understand and wish for things to work out the way they are supposed to. I just know that two members I care about are trying to help one another survive in this vicious world we live in and that is a beautiful thing. :flower:
We talked a little about my problem with substances in PM chat some time ago. Today I have a meeting at my local clinic to address that issue. ADD is a real burden and I hope my p-doc can prescribe me at least Strattera. I also need to set up an appointment with a new therapist. So, I'll be trying to work on myself in the meantime by re-reading the Enchiridion by Epictetus and the Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
Yes, I know we did but I would never disclose such personal information without your consent. Having said that: I am thrilled to hear that you are taking a proactive position and not a reactive position to the real burdens you are bearing in life. Stay strong with your p-doc and if that Doc doesn't want to change your trajectory as much as you do, put the wheels in motion to get another Doc.
Self medicating is such a hit and miss process in an attempt to feel better and sometimes we nail it and other times we aren't as accurate. I want you to know that we are behind your push for a more balanced outlook and there is power in numbers so don't feel like you are alone in this journey we call "life".
What I wonder these days is if it was some self-imposed masochistic test of willpower or an exasperated desperate attempt to stop wallowing and be productive, or just some form of escapism. I'm pretty sure it wasn't pure hedonism.
I don't know the ratios of what made that idea appealing at the time; but, it won't happen again.
Strengthening of will power can happen with support of others but that is often short lived unless it is coupled with the other possibilities you list. Feeling an exacerbation of being stuck at the same crossroads, not feeling free to choose ones' self interest, can be an agent of change my friend.
While I realize it is hard to see now and may well be veiled for all of us but you, Posty, is that Waya's degree of caring may have inspired you to chose a life not of continued suffering but to take the leap of faith we call change.
Quoting Wallows
When it is harder to suffer than change, we change.
This. :sparkle:
You should have sex with his best friend. Granted, that hollow empty feeling will only grow within you exponentially, but nothing is sweeter than the glory of revenge. Trust me on this one. I'm occasionally right.
If it was escapism, it was lame. At least escape to the beach or somewhere it's warm. After that, go have sex with @Waya's ex-boyfriend. If she learns he was gay all along it will make her feel better. Please do this for the team.
I have nothing to say to you other than to summon you over to this thread so that you can enjoy my two posts above. Enjoy.
I didn't read this post when I wrote my posts, so now I realize that my posts don't make a whole lot of sense because you couldn't have sex with yourself as it turns out you were her ex. Things are sort of awkward now I guess with what I said. I wish I could unsay what I said, and I guess I could by the magic of the editing button, but I think I'll just leave it all here to compound the awkwardness.
Enjoy.
I think he does care. In fact I think, and I could be totally off base but I think, he thinks, that he cares about you soo much that he feels you can do better with someone other than himself. That is actually caring but it cuts both of you short of the CHANCE for your caring to grow.
Don't give up hope. Sometimes it takes time to realize our mistakes and only on rare occasions is that person still waiting for us. I am a hopeless romantic so I feel change is underway but the outcome is yet unknown but the odds seem to be in favor of love.
I can barely see the screen because my eyes are swollen shut from my crying almost 6 hrs yesterday so I wholeheartedly concur on hopefully no more crying today.
And yes, both of you have issues but that is because we ALL have issues. The hope is to find a way for us to work through/with those issues together.
In that regard I'm less a conservative and a bit more liberal/grossly reckless.
I think everyone should sleep with everyone, if for no other reason than to be sure everyone is sufficiently rested.
If I might comment upon the oddness of discussing the pain of the breakupee while the breakuper is in the room.
As a Hanover family tradition, I line all my exes up between the turkey and green beans and give them all a good rogering while doing an Irish jig with @baden's Aunt Mildred. She is a feisty one, but not so much so that she earns a place in the rogering line. Not yet at least.
Nice. The forbidden lady on lady love. While contrary to all I hold dear, I cannot seem to avert my eyes from it.
Thanks.
I was actually suggesting that she sleep with another woman, namely her ex's new girlfriend.
Also, there's nothing bad about a woman having casual sex. Although admittedly it isn't very nice to steal someone's girlfriend. But I ain't gonna apologise for making a joke about that.
Besides, I'm always stealing Hanover's women.
Yeah, but, who's laughing?
So like this? https://youtu.be/IgJwq7_GQgE?t=176
Yeah, I should learn to shut up when upset... sorry.
Okay I am willing to continue this reply here in the lounge.
@Hanover I could have sworn I saw a picture of you but then I began to wonder if my mind was playing tricks on me. If this is not you, then whom is in my house?
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They are my sons' and he sold them so I am to take these Lizards to the corner grocery store at Noon and meet these folks in the parking lot, that are going to text me and give me $20.00 for them.
It absolutely has the feel of "dealing" and I know these Lizards are not endangered but do you think I should wear the trench coat all the same? :chin:
I explained to the 17yr old girl and her Mom that they are cold right now in the boxes and calm but as soon as you pick them up and the heat of you hands warm him, they skitter like no ones business. So I suggested they wait until they are home, not in the car, to take them out.
The Lizards were happy and I am too because now I can finally get their tanks out of the ranch house. :clap:
I do. When I eat them, (the remains of) my teeth hurt. So I don't. :up:
Mmmm Hanover, that is an awfully big puppy you have there. Are you a "trust fund" middle aged but sure would like to be retired confused male? I have witnessed this phenomenon more than once with people our age. The males see the children moving out and onto college as a ticket to party! Time to put ME first! Time to kick back in your comfy pants, on the couch, drinking beers and taking in the game without any interruptions.
The same phenomenon happens in females at about our age but it looks very different. The women see the children moving out and onto college as a way to move on the "next" aspiration in life. Many women go back to work outside of the home, some continue their education to launch their career that they might have put on hold to raise the children.
I see a slight difference between the two set of "new" goals, to obtain the "who" we were before entering into a lifetime change of having children but maybe that is the crux.
See my Godchildren's Father is already planning where he is going to redirect his income once they move out. The boat he is going to keep off a Bay in San Diego, downsize from the current location and invest in two homes, one in the cold region of AZ and one here in the Valley and the new truck and...and...and...
Well? I agreed to provide my eldest indian sundries for the first 6 months after moving out and I have done so along with any food I can divert his way. He will always have a room here at home and we are a single vehicle household and will continue to be.
Maybe it is a current day 'mid life crisis' playing out where the men invest $ in what they want and women invest in themselves.
Hmmmmm…..
Cute puppy :love:
I think it might be part basset hound because of the big ears. He sure does go through his chew toys though!
You truly only read the opening line and the last line of a post, don't you? :roll:
I noticed something else. The length of my posts, the depth and detail is astoundingly longer than yours. Probably not the first time you have heard that before. :rofl:
Kind of funny.
To respond to your WHOLE post now that you've made me, my middle age has not brought about putting on my comfy pants. I seem to be working harder these days, going to the gym more, adjusting to the kids being at college (but they're not all that far away), and whatever else I'm up to. Nothing is more anxiety producing for me than sitting still. I was at jury duty the other day, hoping to be chosen so I could ruin someone's life, and I saw everyone slouched down in their chairs waiting to be called, but I honestly couldn't just sit there. I was walking around for at least 2 hours. How do people sit still? Then I thought if everyone were like me (a Utopian thought btw), you'd have had hundreds of people just pacing around an auditorium. Maybe I'd feel at home in a place like that.
Did I tell you I bought a new puppy. He's huge! His ears are as big as an elephant's.
PUPPY?!?!?!? :love: Did someone say puppy?
Did you need someone to care for your elephant/puppy when you go visit Sarah Palin? :eyes:
:victory:
When do we get to come over? :grin:
It sounds like you are in transition which is never fun or tidy but in the end it is all worth it. :sparkle:
Dawn dish soap that they use on the Ducks that get covered in oil spills gets rid of fleas too.
Stay Strong :strong:
I'm not sure how you can use Dawn to kill fleas in your apartment unless you scrub down every carpet and couch, and then you'd be left with a big sudsy apartment which would be far worse than just having fleas.
I have these gnats in my kitchen that I think were brought in with a house plant If you put apple cider vinegar mixed with dish soap in a coffee mug and let it sit out, the gnats all fly into there and die. It works pretty well, but it makes the vinegar taste terrible.
"Hey, how's it going? How're the kids? The weather's nice outside, isn't it? What are you doing later? I might have fish and chips for dinner, what do you think? I've got to take Fido to the vets at half past two, I think he's got worms. Do you like these shoes? I'm not sure they match my dress. Lovely to see you. Take care." :meh:
I hate to break it to you, but that one's been done to death already.
Bad news: they had to put Fido down. The treatment got rid of the worms, but Fido walked into my room whilst I was using my laptop to browse through this discussion, and he took one look at the screen and keeled over. It was all just too much for him. Death through shock at how mind numbingly boring this discussion is.
Rest in peace, Fido.
The transition went well though. Thanks for your support.
Are you going to change your name to Esse? It sounds a bit more feminine I think.
How [i]dare[/I] you?! I did [I]not[/I] incinerate my children. I would [i]never[/I] do such a thing.
I threw them off of a cliff.
The incinerator was at the bottom of the cliff though.
The kids are great! The female rottie is out of heat and her cone of shame! It's 70* here and -50* in Chicago :razz: I am spending at least 5 hrs a day in Algebra and just started Effective Help in a Diverse World and Intro to Social Welfare. I am still eating nuts and leaves but have added coffee back into my regime thinking it helps with math. Surgery is going to be after May 1st because without the ability to use Opiates, I am thinking it will be better to be in pain without having to learn "The Story of 'X'" argggggggggh!!!
@Hanover Where is my gigolo? :eyes:
This is why I love you. Let's get married. I hear that there are some beautiful churches in Dover. There's this one church in particular which I have my heart set on, close by those lovely white cliffs.
On an unrelated note, does anyone know how much it would cost to hire an incinerator for the day?
Come to think of it, perhaps you could take a look for me. My eyes aren't too good these days, you see. (I don't). It's just over here. Follow me, I'll lead you to your death. Wait, did I say "death"? I meant to say "ice cream" or something pleasant and enticing.
The church in Dover sounds nice, but there are a few problems. First, Dover is far away from me and I'm not sure it's worth the flight. Second, I was more thinking a synagogue. Third, I think we're going to have to convince the immigration officials that our marriage isn't a sham just to give you citizenship in the US so that you can avoid the consequences of Brexit. Fourth, since man on man love cannot result in disposable offspring, we'll have to adopt children for that purpose, and I understand there is red tape involved in that process, especially for those who have previously incinerated their children. If I had my druthers, I'd prefer adopting and disposing Dutch children as the best they'd have ever achieved is becoming a Dutch adult, and their value is just above a piece of straw and just below a chewing gum wrapper based upon the International Human Worth Scale (IHWS).
Quoting S
I don't think we need a whole day. We can throw a whole lot of fuckers in there in just under an hour. I have some evidence from some other shit I did a while ago that I also need to incinerate, so we can do all that at once.
Iff everything is "Goat" then yes, I can get ahold of an incinerator for you. :monkey:
And for that I find reason to celebrate :party:
We made it to Spring which we questioned in the Fall. I am willing to believe that we will be here in the Summer and Fall once again.
Why the confidence in such a bold prediction?
Because we are Warriors my friend :sparkle:
I can fix that. @Hanover, fetch my incinerator!
Anyway, life is okayish here. Not being as stupid as I was before. Starting to like my new job when I work in the back. :) Making some new friends too.
:up: I love to hear what people are grateful for. Not because I envy or compare to what they have but because it reminds me to be grateful for that which I have at the moment because all we are really afforded is this time, this slice of our lives, to share with one another.
I hope the love is still felt around here because it hasn't faded simply because reality demands more intense time from us as individuals.
OK then keep on posting.
Skulking back to the drawing boards for a new plan to rule the thread. :gasp:
I'll be back!
Me too. Want to grab a slice? :yum:
No, that won't work. It will take me weeks to hitchhiker over there.
I'll buy one here and think of you guys there while I eat. :smile:
Cheers Sir! :party:
Math is the one subject that kept me at the same damn crossroads in life between becoming a Social worker and well ....
Woo hoo!!? :party: :party: :party:
You show em how its done.
Tiif Tiff hurrays!
But well done, @ArguingWAristotleTiff.
Be truthful, because it is only you that does that sort of thing.
The rest of us have mirrors for that. :smirk:
The rest of you aren't Narcissus. I'm stuck here until I turn into a flower.
Praise be to Murphy for that small blessing. :pray:
Quoting S
How long do you reckon it will be before that blessing happens? :cool:
But you come very close. Very, very, very, very, very, very close.
Quoting Sir2u
A long time. A long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time.
I can still remember how that music used to make me smile...
"And do you have faith in God above...
...if the Bible tells you so?".
"Do you believe in Rock n' Roll?" (Yes!).
Anyway I looked within and realized I had forgotten or was not going through the effort of being "kind" in interacting with those closest to me.
I haven't shared my inner finding with anyone but you guys but I have thought about being "kind" before I answer any questions that I may have freely responded to before.
It seems to be working and is being reciprocated.
So I thought I would share this with you because maybe you are where I am.
Change is good. :sparkle:
Moved onto the kids room.....a pile of dust in the corner....termites......
Termite dude came out, assessed damage to be old, treated for them, located a nest of bees and heard rats in the walls.....
Set traps....wasn't rats....was cutter bees....in the insulation of the wall......omfg
Ripped the wall out, took out the window, removed all damaged material, moved the window back in under the territorial lumber soffit, sealed it in, repaired the stucco on the outside, new insulation, sheet rock, wall mud, sanding, texturing, repainting and are about to finish the floor which is ALL we were supposed to be doing! Good God in Heaven! I am getting too old for this shit.
Whoever solves this riddle gets a flower. :heart:
How is life treating you these days?
No fainting! Are you on your own or with the elders?
Oh and when you figure out this thing called living, write a book on how because you will make millions! :100:
Also, Banno is an old goat, and I'm bored.
Obviously.
HAHA! I wish!
Oh please let me know when you do, I still don't have much of a clue about it. Except of course that there can occasionally be fun in it.
I have been doing that for 65 years, there has to be something else. :chin:
Are you talking about modern music? :rofl:
All music was "modern" and laughed at at some point.
It's an IT Crowd reference.
This thread has been going on for 3 years and it began with a poll. If you haven't answered it yet, please go back and look at it and answer it. I need that information for my database of information that I keep and that I use to make every important decision in my life. If you can't respond to the poll, please send me a message with the header "SURVEY PROBELM" and then tell me why you can't respond to the poll. You will (1) need to misspell "problem" and (2) YOU MUST USE BULLET POINTS; otherwise I will not be able to process your response and you will get daily reminders.
Thank you.
SURVEY PRORBLEM:
• I responded a long time ago but dont remember what I said
No one laughed at rock n' roll. They either hated and reviled it as the work of the devil or they loved it.
Maybe you need to be exposed to Latin American reggaeton.
Please note the following.
Most of the time there is no sync between the noise they make and the movement of their mouths.
They do not sing but use synthesized voices that are barely understandable.
There is little meaning to anything that is included in the video.
The liberal use of flesh to cover up the fact that it is several minutes of audio garbage.
You don't even need to speak Spanish, I cannot understand even being able to.
With all due respect sir, but I cannot remember whether I voted or not. So could you just be nice and post a fucking list of those that did so that we can tell if we need to go and voted. Please. :wink:
Sorry to be a bother and all that, but at my age it seems to be getting harder to remember such important details of ones life. :chin:
"Laughed" was a metaphor...clearly...we're saying the same thing...
Yeah, of course. Nudge nudge, :wink: :wink:
:point:
Welcome back :flower:
But it cannot be what it is not.
Trade him in?
Congrats.
Me and the missus have been together for almost thirty three years. And I can still remember the day I met her, I think. :wink:
So the question is: what is your secret to a long and happy marriage?
That's easy.
I always have the last word in everything.
Yes my love.
As you say my dear.
Yes I agree.
:rofl:
Except here on this last word thread. I am going to have to challenge you on that.
Smiles :cool:
Yooo hooo :sparkle:
Where in the world are youuuuu? :flower:
Yippee! Sometimes it is the best we can do! :heart:
Hannnnnnnnover......
Has the CBD craze hit Atlanta?
Are your Peaches stone free? :grin:
What are you doing for Thanksgiving?
NicK's answer to any plans I put past him is: Can't we just go to Vegas? :zip:
As of right now, I have reservations at two restaurants for 12. Mimi's Cafe at 3:30 pm and at Maggiano's at 7:00 pm. :sparkle:
Now I'm trying to get everyone on one dinner and like Mayor of Simpleton says: "It's like trying to herd cats!" :monkey:
Oh and the reason we are not hosting is because (God Willing) my oral surgery is within 2 weeks. :pray:
Prove it! :smirk:
And eat. I like to eat... :)
That being so would make me the last word poster on this thread.
That makes me the winner.
Anyone wants to discuss this FACT.
Nah, you're not alone, in fact you are never alone as long as you still have the voices in your head :joke:
Voices in my head? :gasp: Dang, how many am I supposed to have?
Well, I have at least two voices in my head. The voice of passion and the voice of reason. Neither of which have much overlap.
As you might already know about me, there is little hot or cold, middle of the road shit. People either love me or hate me with little in between.
Which I must say I am growing comfortable with as I get older. I have found a mission, I have the passion and now I'm trying gather together like minded people to spearhead this mental health/homeless crisis with a proven program.
No other voice for me, they just sing different songs. :wink:
So 2019 was one screwed up year, to top off an "I still cannot figure out what the fuck this past decade was about". So 2020 holds great wishes of peace throughout the world with no war or famine. These three things I wish for. :flower: :heart: :sparkle:
I am down with the fierce grip around the rabbit's foot.
Based upon the above, The Last Word is the world's oldest thread. It's also a continuation of the old Last Word thread from the old PF, making it older than this Board itself.
The final word is that the Last Word was the first word, which is where I was going with this until you inserted your bullshit.
You used to be called something different, like Yahadraes, which means I've been me longer than you've been you, and therefore more awesome, which sucks for you because that's what you've always wanted to be, and now you're not.
Today really sucks for you.
Yeah, but I'm going to Thailand on Friday so it's all uphill from here.
:monkey: This is just not the AWESOME I know!
I would like to remind everyone that I got the Last Word on PF's thread of this title and plan on getting it on this thread as well!
Go ahead, try me :brow:
(Did you hear the Mom tone in that last line?)
Yeah it was weak but I am in bed with Zicam trying to get better before the boys return from the CES in Vegas. :mask:
By the way what is this show called the "Ten sex midgets" that NicK took them to immediately after checking in? Also a limo included in the the price of the show? Things that make a Mom wonder....
Omg! My indian that didn't even know the word before preparing for this Vegas trip! He heard NicK say that to me as I was laying down the out-of-state-where prostitution is legal- laws and without skipping a beat looked at me and called me a prude! :scream:
Now you might think that is a scream in terror for being seen that way by my genetic gentleman but you would be mistaken. I have worn the title with pride many times in life. :100:
Have I missed something as a result of the occasional, appropriate act of prudence?
I mean if you had to choose between being a prude like me or a slutty puppy like @Hanover which would you choose?
Ooohh touche Noah! Well played. :clap:
:strong:
Why would I rather be other than I am? I’ve tried being other people, but it never works out. :wink:
What a very refreshing attitude. I am finding myself gravitate more and more towards those who are at peace with who they are and where they are in life. :flower:
It’s a minute by minute struggle to be at peace. The “other” constantly wants to point out what’s wrong with you. At some point, you’ve just gotta realize there’s no pleasing anyone but yourself.
Go girl. :up:
Yes he is sick working on 10 days now but he is on the mend!
Whew Mom's can freak something fierce!
:flower:
You will win the prize eventual.
OOOPPss, I did it again. :blush:
I think the OP makes abundantly clear the purpose of his thread. Perhaps review the first post and you'll fully understand it. If you haven't yet taken the poll, please do. Your response will be critical to the future success of this site.
:rofl:
But are you not ashamed of your piddly 50 pages? And yeah, I voted, probably like 3 years ago.
The paltry quantity is offset by the superior quality. It is here most come for the final word on all topics.
Yeah, OK. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Keep on truckin lady. You'll beat them number yet. :up:
My head hurts, literally :angry:
I have now been locked in the house for over a week, guess how I am feeling?
Yep, you got. I am freaking out reading emails, whatsapp, and school website, giving classes on line and a whole load of other crap.
Let me out of here soon, PLEASEEEEEEEEEE
I am nearing my limit as well....
We have now been on lockdown for eleven days, and it looks as though it will be at least another two weeks before we are let out of our cages.
I am almost ready to start climbing the walls.
I have not seen much news from your area, but from seeing the area you live in, I doubt that you have problems keeping yourselves away from your neighbors. What is happening in the towns around you, are they telling people to stay in their houses?
Take care if there are any cases around you. And make sure to take enough internal disinfectants, rum, tequila, vodka, gin, whisky and so on. They probably won't help much but you will feel better about things for a while at least.
Interesting when they show the Coronavisus spread Mexico is without a case but as soon as you get to either border, there are cases. Hmmmmmmm....... :brow:
Here at the ranch we are far enough out that I have to seek interaction. No need for eggs as we get them from our neighbor who has the Cock and chickens because the sun comes up early. The sun wakes the Cock, the Cock wakes the Burros, the Burros wake the dogs and the fuckening of good sleep has begun. The trick is to wake up before the Cock and make him understand who started this day! Yeah.... I am a little bit stressed but the heat is coming, soon, like next week.
I saw some kids at Rice University.truly made a game changer.... check it out
Remember the nursery rhyme about Old McDonald's farm? The last line has been ruminating in my head ultimately when I pray/focus energy on healing which is:
"The nurse takes the child, the nurse takes the child, hi ho the dairy o the nurse takes the child. AND the child leads us home, the child leads us home, hi ho the dairy o the child leads us home."
I believe that as our children will think our way through this.
Need is the mother of all invention. Shame that we never really know what we need.
Now if only the schools could start teaching "out of the box", critical thinking skills we would be better off.
Stay in the shade Tiff. :victory:
Sir, I am on my last chapter of flipping math for my degree! :fire:
Oh yeah, so then the brain will get a rest.
[s]Best of luck.[/s] No, you don't need that, that is for people that don't try hard enough.
So when is the party? :party:
Cinco De Mayo mi amigo! :party:
Things were going swimmingly until they needed salt for the water softener. Dad said they needed salt so he would go get it. Mom said she would go with but first asked "Are you going to wear your face mask and gloves?" (Dad has MANY comorbidities) he answered that he is going to wear his mask. Mom asked "and the gloves?"
Dad said no gloves.
Mom said "then I am not going!"
Dad said fine.
Now I ask you: did he really not want to wear the gloves? Or did he want to go alone?
How clever is the male mind at 76?
Ps.. of course I have been offering daily to get them anything they need but they tell me AFTER they do it for themselves. Who are these people?
Talking of beer, I am having to ration it. They are not letting the shops sell booze, of all of the stupid ideas.
Depends on how devious it was before 76. :rofl:
Whoa! Now that would start a civil war if anything would. I heard of one politician in another state that tried to shut down liquor sales and within 8 hrs reversed course.
Come on over Sir! We can ride horseback to our local watering hole El Encanto Dos, where there is a corral to leave your ride while you indulge in some of the best Mexican food this side of the border. Their Prickly Pear Margaritas go down so easy and are for sale curbside even during this worldwide shitshow.
They say we will be flirting with 100*f on Cinco De Mayo but that's just fine with me. The drinks are cold, the air is heavy with the smell of Mesquite embers smoking the fajita meat, the night birds are actively begging for a chip and the small trickle of water is just enough to hear in between the live Mariachi music. Sweet Lord what a celebration it will be :party:
AAAAaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh :angry: :cry:
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Deep breaths....
Don't ever take life for granted. :flower:
Reddit breathing gif
You did! You have always been confident in me and I am so grateful for you being in my corner through the years :flower:
Absolutely hotter. In the middle of all this crap, a fast moving fire came through our ranch and 1000 acres around our ranch. No lives lost, no animals (cattle, horses, Alpaca, Camel, dogs and the rest) but the wildlife is decimated. 360.degrees of ash.....as far as the eye can see including the mountain sides we are in the Foothills we are in, which means the Monsoons that are building, are going to wash all that destruction down hill to us with nothing holding the dirt on the mountain.
:confused:
My Dad was a land planner and back in the day we traveled to AZ from IL to try to come up with an idea to help with soil erosion caused by water without plants holding it up on the mountain and highway banks. They came up with a straw filled, burlap coil that when tightly packed, expands as necessary but dries out as well. Those are still in use because they are light, you can drive stakes right through them, they gotta be fairly cheap and effective.
I'm going to show my Dad this technology because it will make him smile to know that there are people out there still trying to Curb Mother Nature. Thank you for the information :flower:
Not a chance. :flower:
Is that some sort of problem? It has not bothered anyone so far. Everyone has managed to contribute some kind of bullshit, so I doubt anyone else is worried about quality.
And I doubt that any of the mods are going to pay attention to your ploy, not original by the way, to close the thread without leaving their last word.
Does anyone remember the original purpose of this thread in the old PF?
LOL I copy-pasted that from a mod responding to a different thread. I guess my jokes blend in with my ernest posts; my own fault.
Yes Sir, I do!
How are you holding up my friend?
Me? As long as I don't speak my opinion, my mind or my thoughts everything stays "copestic" Peachy even.
One flaw from this being the plan forward from the medical crisis....I am me!
Hey Tiff.
I am not at all happy about this freaking lockup or lockdown, whatever you want to call it. I have left the house only once in these last 3 months. :groan:
And the worst is yet to come. I will be working from home until the end of the year. :groan: :cry:
If I am not mistaken, the purpose of the original thread was to discuss why we thought that we had the last word on any particular thread. There were several possible reasons mentioned if I remember right.
1. the last poster had the written the most profound answer answer to the question
2. the last poster had come to a dead end and no one else after that could think of anything else to say
3. the OP had not bothered to answer any more questions
4. the last poster had said something so bloody stupid that no one wanted to continue.
From there on it continued into a competition to see who could get in the last word on that thread.
But maybe I am thinking of a different thread. :worry:
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
And you had better stay that way lady. :wink:
And I guess my jokes blend in with mine as well. But I really cannot tell the difference between sarcasm and humor sometimes. :smirk:
At times I crumble from my soul being so weary, for so long and I begin to question if the struggle is worth it. And when I find myself thinking that way, I remind myself that regardless of how many times I may go down, I will never let myself forget that my bounce back is strong as fuck.
I just flew from Atlanta to Salt Lake, drove to Utah, then went to Montana and Wyoming. Been working from the office every day since the pandemic started. Have eaten out, gone to the gym, gone shopping, and have hung out with my family and friends the whole time. My infection rate and the number I've infected stands firmly at 0. No harm, no foul.
The Last Words of Hanover. RIP.
We cannot even go out when we want here. There is a law that says only people with the last number of their national ID can go out on one day of the week. Starting at 1 on the first Monday of the month until 5 on Friday. The next week Monday starts with six and ends Friday with 0. No one goes out at weekend.
My number is 7, Tuesday. I have classes all day and there is no way to go out.
They are allowing home delivery services for food and medical stuff everyday, but the people all have to be registered. The have even put a stop to the selling of booze.
Anyone caught out in the streets with a permission gets fined and has to do social work.
There are lots of complaints about the system, mostly because there are not so many deaths. But the hospitals are all over run and understaffed. If they cannot keep the number of infected down there will be a big shitty mess here.
Also known as the devil's asshole. But it it really a nice place.
We have the opposite thing going here. As the Covid cases started to increase, the major cities (Atlanta, Athens, Savannah) all started to impose more strict measures, one of which was mandatory mask wearing. The governor of the state declared the matter a state emergency and then entered an executive order that state law preempted all city law and stated you didn't have to wear a mask. Earlier, they tried to close the beaches, so he re-opened them. Recklessness appeals to me, so I kind of like it.
Who would have guessed :razz:
Wow, you are reckless! :lol:
11 credit hours of class is what I took a year ago. Medical crisis considered I must continue on.
I'm rising daily and pray NicK finds the drive to thrive not just survive. :flower:
It's amazing and scary all at the same time. It's hard for NicK because now all the males are unmarried even though some are in new relationships.
Pondering why...where it fell apart...how accurate in time were my Spidey senses and what makes the difference in whose marriage is successful and whose is not.
My only thought to our seperating friends is: Please don't destroy in leaving, what you built in coming together.
All I know is that you spell your husband's name with a capital K at the end of his name, which tells me that the two of you are doing something right.
:lol: old chatroom habits
Such an oldie but a goodie :joke:
:wink:
I can't even remember my own number, but that is probably because I am not in the habit of calling myself to often.
I'm with you there! :joke:
Flipping bonus: no one can be with me before the procedures, before they put me out via vein line. I am a freak about needles and I am so absolutely terrified about being put out in a surgical center and waking up in the hospital ALONE because something didn't go as planned.....
I've debated waiting longer than I have but I really can't wait anymore. I'm considering going to a hotel for a couple days just to be alone without the pressures of the ranch.
~pacing
May the Wrath of Mother Nature pass you and your family (including your students) leaving you safe and healthy. I am sending my energies to defend your space on this Earth and allow for the storm clouds to break open to sunny skies and calm waters. :pray: :sparkle: :flower:
The I have a dream type, a world where people have figured out that if you don't bother other people they will not bother you.
This is the dream I was looking for, Thank you for sharing :flower:
I have a short term dream that is now a goal. That is to connect people around the world who would be willing to become an "Angel" for their desired locations. More to follow my friend :sparkle:
My life dream is Winterbury Bed and Breakfast.
12 private cabins and a main lodge which has a restaurant for regular hours and a fridge that guests can raid during off hours as desired :clap:
My recipes are tops and I have learned enough about F&B and Hospitality to do it right. :100:
I had this idea a long time ago, to start a place for visitors to come and stay for a couple of days. There used to be a lot of young Americans and Europeans backpacking through here. But when the country hit the most dangerous place to visit list at #1 I gave up on the idea. Maybe things will change.
Do you live in Afghanistan?
My dream, because everyone wants to know, is to be able to sit around and dream all day, or not, or do whatever I want to do. It would seem that a dream better than owning a quaint B&B would be to stay at a quaint B&B for free forever, right?
Nope, Honduras.
How many keys do you want to your new time share? Offer to purchase cabin and take a cut of the profit we can make renting it out while you are away.
How can you refuse an offer like that? :up:
In fact, I could pull some strings to make sure it is decorated for the honeymoon :flower:
How about compromise?
Like how Governor Cumo is while interacting with his staff? :gasp:
Not to mention intentionally hiding the COVID 19 death order he proclaimed on nursing homes.
Today, he is still sending handicapped people who contract COVID 19 back to their group home setting WITH the protection he so slyly added that if your family member dies, you cannot sue for malpractice.
Gosh, what a guy hey?
Being from Chicago I learned as a kid if you have any doubt if a train is near, put your ear on the tracks and you will hear the vibration.
Mom never let me do it :down:
At least that way it won't hurt when it runs over you.
Are you by chance a Volkswagon?
Quoting Ladybug
Quoting Sir2u
Or perhaps a Playmate?
That is a classic, I had not heard it in years.
But just at the avatar, it's definitely a beetle.
I'd bet that she has merely noted the difference between the bands, The Orwells and The Intelligence, and is now reflecting upon that, within any given situation, that a party has information about what the other party has information about, it changes the circumstances of that situation, but only up until a quaternary.
I just wanted to start a band and be invited to a house party, though.
Maybe that will happen in the next 2 million years or so.
:lol:
Missing the old days.
Not sure which ones.
Maybe we should start a support group, I don't even remember which ones I miss most. :worry:
I remember you exactly as you are today Sir :flower:
It is so sad what we have become. In days gone by would not have had to worry about this dilemma at all, you could have simply written firemen.
All of this politically correct bullshit is making a mess of normal people and common sense.
You are so right!
Fireman :heart: :fire: :heart:
Yeah, any woman that’s offended by the term “fireman” needs to grow a pair! :rofl:
Did you wash away my friend or are you on your way to the ranch? :flower:
If I had any money I would quit anyway. :lol:
Did I tell you we are in a teacher drought? :fire:
But I am really ready to quit, the kids nowadays are just getting more and more pathetic every year. they have no interesting in learning anything because all of the information they will ever need is on Wikipedia. :rofl:
I am trying to figure what kind of a business I can start but right now the prospects are not that great for small businesses.
Mmmm no, you would likely be their first choice!
Going to look into that, maybe a couple of years in the north before I do retire to my coconut plantation, all 20 trees of it.
We have coconuts at the store. Come on back! :pray:
I have about 20 coconut trees in the yard, a couple of almond trees a variety of fruit that is like a grape and several others. And I have some citrus plants ready to put in. There are also plantains and bananas.
Put a couple in the freezer for a few hours then open them and add run.
Happiness in a shell.
I'll take a feeling of happiness wherever I can get it :flower:
Is Australia still on the map?
Your wish is my command my friend.
We are getting ready to never bother you again.
I wish you love and security :flower:
Four letter noun starting with w and ending with d, has or in the middle.
A word made up from letter symbols the is used to signify it self.
I said that a long time ago.
No one paid any attention to me.
Also, it is often assumed that the threads which are long are successful. However, in some cases, some controversial inflammatory remark is made which provokes endless responses. With short threads it may be that people simply agree. When there is a final post it is hard to know if it is the ultimate word or simply that people have found threads which are more exciting and stimulating.
That, I believe, was the original question in the old PF.
It does happen sometimes that someone puts everyone in the thread straight and that is the end of it. But most threads just peter out after multiple repetitions of the same ideas by several posters and a lack of new input to keep it going.
You also have the threads were there is no answer to any of the ideas being discussed even though everyone believes they are right.
Ain't that the truth.
I hope this post finds you doing well dear friend~ :flower:
I'm still doing OK dear lady. Been keeping mostly in the background for a while, but still trying to keep up with what is happening to everyone.
I hope things are getting better for you.
Ditto my friend :flower:
Quoting Sir2u
I do appreciate your hopes.
People who say "it is what it is" really get under my skin.
I try to always respond with
"It is what it is, until you make it what you want it."
F* negativity
What a nerve!
Please explain your reasoning, under what circumstances, reasons, warped thinking does this qualify as a last word.
Jaja :rofl:
I will be honest, but don't laugh at my stupidity.
I discovered this thread randomly. Well, I was checking the threads posted by Hanover, honestly. I put a bookmark on thinking about posting something. If you go to Wikipedia, you can see an option called 'Random', where the logo of a dice appears. I clicked and then appeared an article about a skull, but it was in Spanish. I switched the page to the English version, and then I read 'supratrochelar' in the picture.
I know I do many weird things...
You have no idea how alike we are then. :wink:
Try this:
find any topic in Wikipedia, in English.
In the main article, click on the first link that is not Italic.
Do the same on the next articles.
By the time you have reached the seventh or eighth article you should be looking at something to do with philosophy.
It does not work for everything but it should for about 90%.
Barbastro
Quoting Sir2u
Aragonese language
Quoting Sir2u
Linguistics
You were right! Jesus! Are you a wizard? Do you know more tricks?
:cry: Nope
Two that I am intimately acquainted with went in two steps to the definition of mathematics, as you predict.
More seriously I'm not surprised. Philosophy attempts to tie concepts together pretty frequently, and I'd say that a lot of topics of knowledge which are prone to encyclopedic treatment arose out of a philosophical impulse. Such as encyclopedia>American English>Variety (linguistics)>Sociolinguistics>Society>Individual>Entity>Existence :D
Ahhhh, my people! May the nerds forever be seen.
It went a bit longer than normal but I got there. :wink:
Minoan civilisation > Bronze Age > bronze > alloy > mixture > chemistry > scientific > systematic > empirical > proposition > philosophy of language