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I'm starting to think I hear all music in relation to E major. Wtf??

:-O (L) Sometimes smooth jazz makes the world right. Why argue?

This totally doesn't fit here, but this video basically answers all philosophical questions. So, in a way, it's really The Last Word: https://www.yout...

Agreed. Interesting thought. My addendum would be that not all adults grow up to be mature people (which is to say that they don't really "grow up", a...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're trying to articulate an intuition you have, but I'm not sure if you're saying it the right wa...

As I mentioned earlier, I think art exists within 3 stages: the artist, the middle-man and the audience. All of those elements have to come together f...

With this all being within the analogy of addiction, I think it's probably run it's course. Based on the ideas I outlined, I think so. But I don't thi...

What's self-centered about that? Assuming you're using the word negatively.

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There's a long tradition in rabbinical teaching of the teacher asking questions rather than providing answers or statements. Jesus eludes to the idea ...

I'm just responding to your thread about belief in God; I'm not saying anything about agnosticism. But I agree with you; I think it's important to ack...

More or less, but my interpretation is that the experience of the piece should alert you to what you're not generally conscious of. Our brains automat...

Psychology is a development of the past couple of hundred years, and it's a constantly changing field like the other soft sciences. So if you're going...

Where are you getting this from?

Not mentally or emotionally, or spiritually. That's the analogy I'm trying to make; human thought (in how it's inherited through culture; how people i...

If you're asking "why do people believe in God?" And then proceeding to say that you're only interested in logical reasons, then I don't know if you'l...

Ok, but at least for 4:33...it's a purely conceptual piece, right? It does explore form as you say, but ultimately the idea is "Listen to what you hea...

Because overcoming addiction means acknowledging the events that lead up to addiction, and the mental and emotional states that perpetuated and encour...

So are you saying that freedom exists on an individual level, but not on a broad level? Here's my issue with this. Think about it from an individual l...

Platonism. Eh. It's fine. Really more of an existentialist with humanist/Christian theist/mystic/taoist leanings.

Cage's 4:33 is all concept and no music. So it's possible, in a sense at least. Cage was kind of the Duchamp of music, and I think there's some music ...

The average person doesn't find conceptual art "mysterious"; they find it nonsensical.

This doesn't make any sense. What quotes form John or I can you site where we were talking about "how" verses "what"? This also makes no sense. This a...

Interesting. I'm not sure I agree, but I'm also not sure I can argue with that. Again, I think the same spiritual drive exists beneath conceptual art....

It sounds like you mean something else than what I (and presumably ) meant with the word spiritual. For my part, I mean that there's a real spiritual ...

So the characters have their own life? They exist independently of Shakespeare?

This is honestly a very confusing sentence; I see that it's grammatically correct, but what exactly are you saying? It sounds to me like you're saying...

This monstrosity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70

How does the form and matter have a "say"? Are you talking about how a work of art "speaks beyond itself", or some such notion? The idea that the muse...

What do you mean?

I agree. When I said it doesn't have a goal, that was in the context of other types of writing having a utilitarian purpose and goal. Poetry isn't try...

I've done that before as well, apologies if I was being anal.

I'm not personally looking for a dry analytical answer. And I think I agree with you that making a work of art is an attempt to answer the question. I...

You said:

You argued that the artist doesn't change in relation to a work; I'm arguing the opposite and giving Baldessari as an example.

I don't mean to do that either, but I realize the word drive suggests that. I categorize it as a spiritual drive. It's almost something ontological in...

Ok, but even then, an artists perception of one of their works can change. John Baldessari burned all of his early work.

What? Sure the artist changes. Look at Radiohead - Pablo Honey vs. Amnesiac. Plus, I said the circumstance of artist/audience/middle man is what doesn...

Give me a reason why I should reconsider.

Beautiful description of your experience which I will not argue with.

But the circumstance of artist/audience/middle man doesn't change. I'm making this point because too often one of those three gets a distorted view of...

I say 50% because there's just two participants, fundamentally: artist and audience. Or, as pointed out, there's also the middle men of sorts; the rec...

Interesting. We seem to have different experiences then. The main difference to me is that writing construction specifications is utilitarian; it serv...

Yes, this is always a good reminder. I have to look at the metaphorical content in my own work and be reminded that I have a debt to conceptualism. Bu...

I'm not trying to insult you; if you hadn't said you were an engineer I would still be debating your ideas in the same way. I disagree that art is act...

Ok, I see what you mean. But I still disagree; art at it's best is it's own form of communication; it's own language. That's why the best art, to me, ...

It wasn't particularly clear, no, but maybe I should clarify as well. When I say the audience is 50% of the work, I mean that literally, the audience ...

I'm not objecting; follow the thread of our conversation, I'm asking you honest questions. I'm not sure if I agree that broadening the discussion will...

Ok, so how is it relevant?

This thread is about artists, not engineers.