Merkwurdichliebe

It's good to get the terms straight. So then, you would agree that existence as it is in its entirety prior to its discovery is absolute. And, that an...

That is what I'm saying. But, if we must, how do we reconcile this complex arrangement of terms? What is it trying to say, and how can it be said bett...

A post-copulous intellect.

It is analogous to the notion of "something out of nothing"; which also isn't much of a paradox if we realize that nothing is creating something.

I would say religion is more like a way of relating to fear. Fear is a psychological relation to a potential theat (whether real or imagined), and it ...

How do we know that raunchy meat in our Slim Jims isn't Soylent green?

That's why politics don't work with war. It's the greatest cowards with the most to lose who have their finger on the trigger. Not the ordinary folk l...

I know your secret. I propose that all nations be armed with a doomsday mechanism. Some may accuse me of being idealistically egalitarian, but I assur...

Just a little wisdom of the ancients

It is the old Taoist paradox: finding meaning in the meaningless. That it is all meaningless, is something that we should be greatly worried about. He...

Ok, let's say, Jommy cannot invent it without discovering it , without seeing (experiencing) it. So there is an obvious distinction between discovery ...

I prefer to use it over pussy. Oops, sorry. Please disregard that comment.

Oh damn, i never thought I'd open up so easily to the ordinary use of language.

I think a cross linguistic comparison would be very helpful in understanding the universal essence of adult language. Mere reference to the socially i...

Don't you even want to know my stupid reason?

I respectfully disagree.

@"creativesoul" I feel a strong sense of time or history to be present in your basic pressuppositions here.

The better question is: what is it that we can actually presuppose exists in its entirety prior to our discovery of its existence in its prior entiret...

Then what about the original discovery. Would that thing exist if it were not for the human intervention?

It also does not exhaust the requirements for a thing to exist in its entirety prior to its discovery. I know you cannot accept this disjunction.

That is awfully inferential, and requires major qualification.

That is a categorical error of some kind or another. The pen is a particular invention. Can I not use the blood from my finger as a pen? Now we are ge...

Then pens didn't exist in their entirety prior to their invention. What is it without the human touch? Not a pen. Not a tree. Not a galaxy. Not the gr...

@"creativesoul" You still haven't answered my question: How does a thing exists in its entirety, prior to its discovery?

It seems to me that different languages regard profanity in very different ways. For example, in Spanish, the offense of profanity seems to be more cl...

I think it can be put more didactically. We discover things that exist in their entirety, prior to their identification. There are primary attributes ...

If properties are inherent to their objects, we discover them. If not, they are created by the aesthetic application of intellect.

@"creativesoul" I think we are working with two terms, existence and identity. I am confounding them here. Let me clarify. Existence is something that...

Then, a thing cannot exist in its entirety prior to its discovery, unless that thing exists as part of some type of universal understanding (logical a...

Well, if the identity-(existence) of all things is reducible to human creation, and all human creation is existentially dependent upon being created b...

I know you wouldn't. And that's what makes you a better philosopher than I.

That something can exist in its entirety prior to human contact.

All we need to do is clarify what is meant by "things can exist in their entirety prior to our discovery of them". In other words, what's the differen...

I would agree if you put it like that.

I might agree, while I do incline towards a rejection of "man as the measure of all things", for argument's sake, I would have to be very clear about ...

Creativity and discovery - Man as artist, versus man as journeyman...a very interesting debate. And if both, which is primary?

What makes it a screwdriver a screwdriver? Its identity. Where does identity come from: the thing (its inherent properties/attributes) or the one iden...

I would like to hear more about this. How would we prove this? If man is the measure of all things, then we can only understand this "existential depe...

You are making screwdrivers out to be violent weapons, but can they not also be repurposed to feed our babies? :joke:

This would apply to, say, identifying the screwdriver as an ice pick. Perhaps, a screwdriver by any other name?

That would make nice thread.

@"creativesoul" @"Shamshir" For a nondescript thing to change into something identifiable, like a screwdriver, because of its apprehension in thought/...

The existential constant?

Is that because the instant the sentence is posited, the term screwdriver has propositional significance - viz. meaning?

This is where it gets tricky. But I am the great Merkwurdichliebe, and I demand reconciliation on this matter...or else! :strong:

Negative. I just wanted to hear your assessment of how the content of thought/belief can exist prior to thought/belief. But, at the bottom of it all, ...

What they need is a feller buncher, like what you drive.

Not the less short answer I was looking for, I know you can do better, but I will accept it so as to avoid complicating matter.

wait... that could be argued. What is the less short answer?

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