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§§30 is a defense of the distinction. It criticizes those approaches which do not begin with such a distinction.
December 11, 2015 at 14:40
Carrie Noland - Agency and Embodiment: Performing Gestures/Producing Culture Gilles Deleuze - Pure Immanence: Essays on A Life
December 10, 2015 at 22:06
What the above implies though is that if one wants to contest what Brassier is doing here, such a contestation needs to take place 'one level up' from...
December 10, 2015 at 03:35
This is something B. does address, and I quoted it earlier - §§30 is the relevant passage. The idea is basically you have two options: either you begi...
December 10, 2015 at 01:08
"SX, let's say we assume a distinction between concepts and objects. Ha, contraction!!"
December 08, 2015 at 03:26
Yep, you don't get it. Don't think you will. Good chat.
December 08, 2015 at 03:24
But it only leads to a contraction if it is assumed that the two are not distinct. That's why it's a contradiction. Which means the claim that Berkele...
December 08, 2015 at 03:21
Nope. See: §§30: "Contrary to what correlationists proclaim, the presupposition of this difference is not a dogmatic prejudice in need of critical leg...
December 08, 2015 at 03:19
That's what Berkeley attributes to the realist. But it's wrong - because he doesn't establish a priori distinction between concepts and objects. Man, ...
December 08, 2015 at 03:12
"To make out this, it is necessary that you conceive them existing unconceived" - exactly, literally, precisely, unequivocally.
December 08, 2015 at 03:02
Yep, can't see a prior distinction between concept and object in any of that - just a flat equivocation between 'things' - so I'd say the argument has...
December 08, 2015 at 02:58
No, he does not begin by distinguishing a concept from an object, and go on to argue that they are the same. As far as the argument goes, there are si...
December 08, 2015 at 02:54
To the degree that he does not distinguish between a concept and an object, the conclusion is built into the argument from the beginning. It's not tha...
December 08, 2015 at 02:45
The assumption is implicit in the equivocation between 'things' qua ideata and things simpliciter. And of course Berkeley doesn't make the distinction...
December 08, 2015 at 02:42
No it isn't. "It is undoubtedly true that we cannot conceive of concept-independent things without conceiving of them; but it by no means follows from...
December 08, 2015 at 02:38
...that's built into the very form of any argument that does not distinguish between concepts and objects (i.e. that begs the question).
December 08, 2015 at 02:36
I dunno TGW, you just seem not to 'get it': Brassier's point is that when you frame the realist's point in the way you do - "It is possible to conceiv...
December 08, 2015 at 02:30
Does this matter though? Surely, this is a conclusion inferred by Berkeley from what he takes be a successful argument against a mind-independent worl...
December 07, 2015 at 14:37
And if there were no environment for a leg to move - to exert pressure against, to be oriented amongst - there would be no such stimulus from the brai...
December 07, 2015 at 14:29
The point is that psychology is 'murky' precisely in accordance to the degree in which it's subject matter is murky. If were any more precise, it woul...
December 07, 2015 at 14:02
Psychological experiments are less 'law-like' than physics or biology to the degree that the variables involved are harder, if not in principle imposs...
December 07, 2015 at 13:21
Alright, so - working through C&O. Essentially, I read C&O as something like a ground-clearing operation. Brassier's goal is to establish the importan...
December 07, 2015 at 05:53
I'm not sure about this - if anything, Brassier's ultimate charge in "L and the Reality of Abstraction" is that Laruelle basically loses his nerve at ...
December 06, 2015 at 13:53
Mm, I quoted Bryant because he gives a nice reader's digest version of NU to the uninitiated. Brassier's take on his own work is in fact more interest...
December 06, 2015 at 08:28
How in the world did you draw these staggeringly off base conclusions? And why ought anybody answer your questions when you can't be bothered to do so...
December 05, 2015 at 23:27
This discussion was merged into Reading for December: Concepts and Objects (Ray Brassier)
December 05, 2015 at 15:01
@"schopenhauer1" *Grumble*. Seems like you're after cliff notes because you can't be arsed reading yourself. Anyway, regarding Nihil Unbound - rather ...
December 05, 2015 at 14:54
The book the essay is published in - The Speculative Turn - has been published under an Open Access creative commons license, which means that there's...
December 02, 2015 at 10:33
As usual, we're at an impasse, and I've lost my appetite to go on. I will say that I literally meant cars blinking, as in what eyelids do - which is w...
November 27, 2015 at 13:44
@"Michael" Sorry for the late reply, TPF has been down for me for a couple of days. Anyway... But there's nothing to be anti-realist about. What is di...
November 27, 2015 at 00:12
It was directing me to a cloudflare 'website is down' page. I should have paid closer attention to the exact error but yeah. I thought there was like ...
November 26, 2015 at 16:26
Did anyone else have trouble accessing the site in the last two days?
November 26, 2015 at 15:24
Sorry, made some substantial edits to my previous post in the process of your replying.
November 24, 2015 at 13:02
Doesn't sound right to me. What is the recognitional capacity to verify or falsify "hello!". Or "I christen this ship 'Jane'"? This is the problem of ...
November 24, 2015 at 12:08
It would have to be assessed on the basis of how language would be able to play that role. What specifically about language, in other words, would all...
November 24, 2015 at 06:07
Not asking, Pneu, Butler's clearly a lost cause for you. But I don't think it was a mere accident that you went straight for a comment about her appea...
November 24, 2015 at 01:19
Butler's recent works are actually incredibly accessable. But one would have to, y'know, read Butler to know that.
November 24, 2015 at 01:05
You're missing the parameter which would make significant such a distinction (between language and what is not language): sense. It's no use, or rathe...
November 23, 2015 at 13:24
But what the OP tries to show - among other things - is precisely how such a distinction can be misleading. Insofar as language is just one manner of ...
November 23, 2015 at 02:40
A hundred times yes! D&R functions for me as a sourcebook, something to continually go back to and discover new things. It's a guide to thinking, hand...
November 23, 2015 at 02:28
But if language is just another thing in the world, the question is more or less senseless. The very question 'what else' seems to want to parse langu...
November 22, 2015 at 23:06
You seem to be mistaking form for content. Truths are predicated of propositions. Which is to say that by definition, one needs language in order to h...
November 22, 2015 at 22:22
The other option of course is that both positions are devoid of sense and that one reject the terms of the debate altogether. But one would have to ad...
November 22, 2015 at 22:05
Oh look, another entirely substanceless post. How very unexpected.
November 22, 2015 at 21:34
Yes but Dummett et. al. are wrong. What 'some' say is irrelavent here so long as the argument goes unaddressed. Which it has. The point is to show tha...
November 22, 2015 at 21:31
But why in the world would realism require verfication-transcendent conditions? It's as if you were to say: the fact that I can't walk through walls d...
November 22, 2015 at 16:44
JW's reader's guide is pretty good, it's a very nice companion to have on you while making your way through the book. Otherwise, I dunno - I've been d...
November 22, 2015 at 16:08
Why? What specifically is anti-realist about it? Third time I'm asking dude.
November 22, 2015 at 14:49
Would you say this about a man? :-|
November 22, 2015 at 13:03
Have you done any secondary reading on it? It's a very, very, very hard book. Regardless, preliminary advice would be this: start with chapter 3 on th...
November 22, 2015 at 13:00