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Darn, I guess I can't just move to Canada if I get tired of the American system of education :smile: Should be an interesting comparison. Certainly le...

Confucianism was one of the first philosophical systems to emphasize merit-based advancement in education or professional/government environments. If ...

I am American, but have spent went too much time comparing educational systems. The MAJOR difference between highly rated systems like say, Finland, a...

Thanks. Saved me from having to mention that. What if I don't respect or care about the thing they got really good at? Isn't that the real issue of th...

sounds like semantics to me. I don't accept it as duty, nor expect others to. Hence the need for laws.

So I don't die. So I don't kill anyone. So I don't get hurt or hurt anyone. Because I don't want to get a ticket. Which of those defines my driving on...

And yet we (he) still go to jail if we break the law. So what was destroyed? It seems you are attributing much more to "law" than it typically entails...

I tend to agree. But that is why I used a more obvious example. And since 99%+ of the planet today cannot afford a Model 3, it suggests we have a long...

If the purchasing powers are close to equal, that sounds correct. But they have to be close to equal, at the same time. If I can suddenly buy a Ferrar...

Thanks all. Never have I been so happy to NOT get a debate. I really felt this was a non-issue. But when I did some googling, it seemed 90% of respons...

I feel like I could come up with examples to refute this, but they all assume a level science knowledge that we do not know we will ever achieve, so p...

I agree with this. The more taboo, the more ironic. Most humor plays off some form of irony. The funniest moments are often in the most inappropriate ...

So I guess this parallels what I said about not trusting the slave who writes about how good slavery is...because he has no idea what freedom is like....

How many hours a week do your slaves work? If it is less than 40, I volunteer :smile: More seriously: I agree with this. However, if we were ever to k...

Woohoo! Alright. I actually started this thread because I went searching the internet for opinions that agreed with me and could only find 1 or 2 (wit...

I think most posters in this thread would argue that my thoughts are not keen enough...:smile: Generally though, I would just say that your definition...

A solid effort, but for me, that doesn't seem to fit the definition of art: art: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination...

Can you give an example of a work of art that "entertainment" is not part of it? Show me art where a message is delivered, and there was no more direc...

And I know you told me not to apologize, but I was being a bit prickly there...sorry :smile:

Oh thank zeus. Yes, and America wonders why we lag behind the rest of the world.

Or do I need to specify that I am referring to the 4 years of high school? Maybe you thought I was talking about K-12?

So you think literature and poetry is more important than math, science, and history?

I have no idea what you are on about.

The way I have described it in that sentence makes it sound much more intentional and conspiratorial than I intend. In fact, the "elite" domination of...

Yep. No problem with that. Outside education, I don't have a problem. We each like what we like. Additionally, outside education, art has been monetiz...

As I tend to view art as entertainment (even when we learn, the "art" made learning more fun/engaging - there is always a more direct way to learn som...

Fair enough. I just have a couple of disjointed thoughts/questions on imagination. I am not sure if I am disagreeing with you, or just trying to under...

Doesn't this just lead to the conclusion that the more figurative the art, the better? It also sounds like empty space would be the ultimate artistic ...

No worries there. For those who genuinely enjoy that stuff, more power to them. And while staring at vomit may have few fans, we know a lot of people ...

yes, giving kids a little bit of film does not mean they get a pass on reading. And I really picked Transformers because I know people view it as crap...

If you can clarify the "purpose" of art beyond its definition, then maybe. But you would have to justify the "purpose" using the definition, and I don...

Well thanks for reading :smile: I think you summarized my position fairly well, but may have missed one point I made that may solve our disagreement (...

As @"Brett" was paraphrasing the OP, maybe I can help (probably not, haha). I would say that use of the word "nuance" strongly hints at an elitist per...

People can be experts at lots of things. What would it mean to be an art expert? When we use the word "expert" for me that suggests that their OPINION...

First, I am sympathetic to this view. If we have a philosophical goal of "cause no harm", then these ideas need to be considered. But I do see logical...

I have been using the dictionary definition of art (the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form ...

Cool. Same for me. If I think of some mind blowing idea that will completely transform your view (haha, yeah right), I will let you know...feel free t...

That does seem somewhat reasonable. I may still be a bit pessimistic, but I like the idea and am happy to try the experiment :smile:

Well, I tried my best, but this has gotten a little ridiculous (I guess it was already ridiculous by the end of the OP). Keep up the good work :smile:

Would you be a serf, a knight/samurai, or part of the nobility? Maybe a dumb question as you would be King/Emperor/Shogun? Sounds great. I wish we wer...

Am I missing some cultural understanding here? This doesn't seem like gibberish, but I can't make sense of it. Is this an allusion to something else? ...

Yes, we get it. Notice when you say "breaking the law is immoral", we answer "it depends" but then give examples where other morality obviously trumps...

I appreciate what you are trying to do here. I was just thinking after my last post that we might just go back and forth on details for eternity :smil...

That seems awfully harsh and insulting considering the post that Patter-chaser was responding to looked like this: Care to explain how your response h...

Whew, thanks for the reminder. I get so caught up thinking of how to reduce the suffering of the poorest individuals in our society that I often forge...

I just want it to be clear to any 3rd party, why I deserve to be shot :smile:

If the act in question does not interfere with the lives of others in any significant way, then I (we) do not need to worry much about justification. ...

I am going to try another example but relate it to this concept of "one must accomplish a greater good to justify acting immoral". I think if we ackno...

So I got that going for me (silent fist-pump). Well I am not convinced that emotional IQ is actually a thing, but if it is, I won't be at the head of ...

I get what you are saying and have been trying to think of a way to accomplish that. But I think part of the problem for people like Javra and I is th...