First, a side question; when I was in school, history was my subject. I liked it, and did well on tests. However, even in high school, I was aware tha...
Hey Terrapin. Just making sure you don't feel ignored in this thread. I think we are in general agreement (perhaps not exact, but much closer than tho...
Cool, so we are in agreement there. Well if there is anything I can do to improve our debate experience, just let me know :grin: But be very specific....
Well until very recently odds would have been WAY higher for a white male (like 100 to 1). Today I would say it is slightly in favor of the hispanic l...
Dang, you responded too quick. I think I have a bit more time today, so I am going to respond to as much as I can (hopefully it does not get too long)...
I realized I did not directly address this bit. When I accepted that "breaking the law is immoral" I included the idea that, using that logic, EVERYTH...
Uff, philosophy is complicated. I actually pretty much agree with all of this. I guess I needed to define the word "decide". I generally lean toward n...
I thought this thread was intended to be a debate about your second sentence above. Semantic disagreements and an unwillingness to accept the approxim...
I think @"DingoJones" was getting at something along the lines of - If you are in any way agreeing with my point, why wasn't the OP phrased: If all as...
I think I am going to go back to your previous post and get to the rest of that, which will hopefully lead to me presenting my views on aesthetics (I ...
Hmmm. To help you understand where they (we? well, at least me anyway) are coming from (I do not expect this to suddenly transform your view, just men...
So its (civil rights movement) morality outweighs its immorality? That is how I make every moral decision. I call the side that outweighs as the corre...
Well if we use Rosa Parks as a nice clear example (in case you are not American, she refused to sit in the back of the bus despite the law saying she ...
First, it looks like I am running out of time again, and will probably only get to about half of your post. I will definitely get to the rest. Second,...
Nope, just that it is not AUTOMATICALLY (inherently, definitionally, absolutely) immoral to break a law. It is no more ALWAYS MORAL than it is ALWAYS ...
My formal philosophy training is limited at best. Ernestm you might be making fun of me based on Janus' response? If not, then this is more for Janus....
As Tim considers it beneath him, and you seem to understand his point...Can you explain to me why Schindler breaking the law to help people is immoral...
nicely done :rofl: Well, it works for me. I have not, but I just read a summary. It seems accurate, but seems more concerned with the bottom 50% of co...
I was in a strange mood and responded a bit defensively (I would apologize but I think you were the one who told me to stop doing that :grimace: ). Ar...
The definitions of unethical and immoral strongly overlap. But my understanding is that ethics is applied by an outside force, where as morals are int...
Nope. Changes nothing. What you need to do is show that given a binary decision, both choices ARE immoral. That doesn't make any sense to me. This is ...
I think we do. You might be looking in the wrong place. What about Godfather 1 & 2 (not so much for part 3)? The Sting? Seinfeld? Tupac? B.B. King? Oi...
Speaking of echo chamber. I have had this conversation before. I will come back to it and think about whether it can go anywhere that either of us has...
Well, I was really struggling to conceive of life without suffering, so this all sounds good to me. I think I am on board when it comes to eliminating...
I don't suppose you can point me to anything written by any of these guys that explicitly states "breaking the law is always immoral"? I am not going ...
Hmmm, it seems so foreign to me that I would barely know where to begin. I enjoy discussing the minutia of morality, but in real life I view morality ...
I think I have. The OP asked, "Is it immoral to take illegal drugs" which most people understood to be a discussion of the morality of taking drugs th...
If wage labor is slavery I agree. If 1800s American South slavery is what we are talking, one's mindset may reduce the suffering, but eliminate seems ...
An updated list of "immoral" action throughout history (Mr. Wood's argument suggest all of these are just "lesser of two evils but still evil" - perso...
I really like this part. But when I say stuff like that, I get the sense that everyone else in the room thinks I am crazy. I am fairly confident that ...
Great to hear. And no worries on timing. I tend to go a few days between replies anyway. We can pick up a month later if we have to :smile: And this r...
Ok. Can you give me an example of a type of equity that is being forced on people? Ideally one that we would NOT force if we all KNEW that women act m...
Well the point I was going to bring up was, "how much does suffering contribute to joy?" The yin and yang so to speak. Is joy greater if we have exper...
So in reviewing your words, I am not exactly sure of your position in relation to mine. If you are NOT entirely bored with this topic, maybe you will ...
eeesh, seems obvious enough when I look at it now. My bad. So they should not be allowed to vote? First, I AM JOKING. Nothing you said even begins to ...
Well you will be happy to know that the nerds/jocks dichotomy has largely vanished from schools. The new divide is good looking and charming vs lower ...
Sorry to be the ass in these hypotheticals that just tries to solve them using loopholes, but... Why is money the only medium of exchange for the "sal...
Like most hypothetical situations, a lack of information leaves options. First off, I think The Mad Fool's explanation is more clever (and in line wit...
wait, I think she brought it up because YOU suggested women were overly emotional. I am not sure you meant it, but when NKJB questioned the claim, you...
Hopefully think of us as their dumb little friends. Does their 1,000,000 IQ include the ability to learn concepts of morality? That is our best hope. ...
When I referred to direct transmission I actually meant NOT art. If we really want to learn something, NOT art is almost always the best way. If we ar...
yes yes "illegal." I noticed your focus on that earlier and figured we were on a philosophy site so we were above such considerations (isn't this deba...
Great stuff Old (you said a lot that I liked, but this quote really captures it). I was just re-reading this thread and I don't think I ever responded...
Alright NKBJ, time to address my claim that there have been no specific arguments as to why Hamlet, etc is better than Transformers, etc. I wrote a wh...
There are MANY subjects where I can admit that. Art happens to be one where I do not think that idea applies. HOWEVER, EVEN IF IT DID, academic litera...
huh? So everyone that gets a Master's Degree just blindly jumped into the subject? We learn a little bit, then form opinions that inform us as to what...
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