Is it wrong to joke about everything?
What is a joke? Why does it appeal to us? Do jokes help us through mental and emotional conquest? Why shouldn't we joke about 'immoral things'. Why should I take into consideration of another individuals moral stratification? How would I know their understanding of if it is 'funny' or hurtful. How do we determine an appropriate joke? Is there such thing? Well maybe there is within certain societies. Can we joke about death? Is that ok? Or does your view not agree? Does your moral stop your choice? Is laughing at something terrible a crime? Is making a joke about something a crime? Too what I consider an extreme inhuman act, the slaughter of jews, is that ok to joke about? Or is that something not valid or 'appropriate'. I know i am using fixed language that is easily challenges, but what can a joke be? Can you win from a joke? Can you lose? Is there anything to stop me from joking about anything I want? It's either all jokes are allowed or none are (I think that's a quote from somewhere pls help). Anyway, I would like to know your point of view of what allowed or not allowed or valid or invalid.
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That some people have humor taboos helps the impact of some humor, though.
I used to be a joker. I treated every situation as if it existed for me to make ironic comments about. It's no way to live (if you stand ironically outside everything, where are you?). I'm still known to make people laugh. It comes in handy.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1139855/Jo-brand-bbc-radio-4-brexit-news-milkshake-battery-acid-Nigel-Farage
And here is a 'joke' that I find unfunny and tending to incite one of the worst forms of personal violence. As it goes it is a joke by someone I quite like against someone I despise, but nevertheless I find it unacceptable.
I agree with this. The more taboo, the more ironic. Most humor plays off some form of irony.
The funniest moments are often in the most inappropriate situations (someone farting is funny, someone farting at a wedding is funnier - I clearly use very sophisticated humor). It becomes an assessment of laughs vs offends. Fortunately, I am socially awkward so I save funeral jokes for myself...but MY funeral will definitely have jokes (unless my death is entirely unexpected and I have no time to prepare).
Quoting unenlightened
Despite having no personal limits on humor, I can still understand that others do. I also hate the idea that I made someone's day/month/life worse do to my behavior. Therefor, jokes that put other people down are avoided until another person makes a joke that puts someone down; they have just announced themselves as fair game (I assume they can take a joke if they can dish it out, although many can't). I also tell jokes to get laughs. If I don't get laughs, but instead, I get offended tears, then I have just made myself sad and unhappy (or at least I will become sad as soon as I realize I just made someone else unhappy).
Quoting unenlightened
I have 2 problems...First, it isn't very funny. Offensive jokes need enough humor to outweigh the offense. I am not sure that "joke" is funny at all. Second, it feels a lot more like a suggestion than a joke. Even if it is a joke, she KNOWS someone might act on the idea.
So I guess I am saying that I do not limit what can be viewed as funny, but I absolutely limit myself from telling jokes that others may not like.
Woman tells you she lost her baby yesterday due to SIDS. Are you saying you wouldn't realize that a joke about dead babies is totally inappropriate right now?
I think you should take cues from the person you're talking to. If that person in some way indicates that s/he is using gallows humor to deal with some horrible experience, you can try to contribute. If not, then just be compassionate and nice.
Personally, I think people who make occasional jokes are just trying to make others feel good/laugh, but incessant jokesters are just annoying and want attention. Or, as unenlightened said, they are actually trying to bully others and get away with it under the guise of "humor."
Basically: know your audience, pick your timing, and remember that the world does not revolve around you.
This is why we can't have funny comedians anymore.
Quoting yupamiralda
Quoting fishfry
Getting a laugh is tricky. There's the joke, the delivery, and the audience. The audience is the wild card, the least controllable factor. Good comedians "read the room" and adjust the material.
These were successful jokes.
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Except for slapstick, real, effective humor has teeth. If a joke doesn't offend someone somewhere, it probably is not very funny.
In order to make jokes bad jokes will happen. Violence, sex, death and stupidity are all funny subjects. As they are deemed quite personal in western society people get offended. It is interesting to experience other cultures where what you deem as ‘bad taste’ is normal and what you deem normal is deemed ‘bad taste’ in other societies.
Given that comedy is a close relative of tragedy we shouldn’t be surprised that people find some things to be in ‘bad taste’ and fail to understand that the ‘bad taste’ is precisely the reason we laugh (some of us at least!)
eg. “What’s funnier than a dead baby ...?”
The instant reaction to the above question is a mixture fo disgust and intrigue and that is why the punchline works (whether you know the punchline or not!)
Bad: "Have you seen these trans people they have now? Yeah, these trans people. How do they wear hats? I mean, a fedora isn't a felt boater people! Come on. You can't just be one hat one day and then another hat the next day. That's fucking stupid.'
Good: "When I was having some sperm frozen, pre transition.. Well, I've never felt like more of the feminine ideal of the mother than when furiously masturbating into one of these vials."
The bad joke there has no teeth, it's just a restatement of stupid stereotypes; good humour should indiscriminately skewer those.
It's like the difference between a cartoon and a travesty. One picture is intended to be funny and actually can be respectful (and getting angry about it just shows the person has no humour) while the other picture can simply describe vitriolic hatred. And the latter doesn't have to be at all funny, which can be quite intended.
I can't see how it could harm anyone. Because the harm in joking seems to come through the way you joke about it rather than what you joke about.
It's a subtle thing, actually. Yet the first step to get one segment of people to harm another segment is to dehumanize the other people. Dehumanizing the enemy in war works, you know. And one way to do that is to tell derogatory jokes. Jokes are a great way to get people to talk about others in a derogatory way.
But then again, all this of course can be taken out of context also and a quite innocent joke can be attacked with having a veiled sinister agenda. Especially today.
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So, here goes: it would be wrong to joke about the likely dryness of your grandmother's vagina as the priest was standing over her suffering, contorted and dying body reading her her last rites, as her daughter held her hand and cried.
You shouldn't chuckle and say: "I bet when she finally dies and they roll her over, there'll be a puff of dust from her hoo-haa."
It'd be wrong, even if correct.
Anyone else have one?
Mel Brooks (who is Jewish) was asked that question about the Holocaust. He replied on the affirmative.
Yes, there are funny joked about the Holocaust that focuses on the absurdity of anti-Semitism,
There was also an Italian film comedy: 'Life is Good'. However, trivializing the subject would be nihilistic
Much depends on the mindset of the joker.
That's not to say that I'd endorse everything that anyone would say in any context, but "either you endorse it or it's wrong" is a false dichotomy.