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Thanks for further explanation. Sometimes things need spelling out, even if they might seem obvious to others. Even when things seem more clear or obv...

Again, interesting information. I didn't know about the Bacchants. Good to follow the continuing themes as outlined in the OP: :cool: The interplay. T...

Indeed. And I have kept that in mind when reading. It is something I am alert to in real life, including being aware of my own actions and if I follow...

Thank you @"Fooloso4" for https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/538287 You are right the book you mentioned does sound interesting but exp...

OK. I thought you were thinking of philosophical interpreters of Plato's Phaedo who dismiss it as 'merely myth' as you expressed: And wondered if you ...

Interesting. Do you have any particular examples in mind ?

What do you think it signifies? Re any stated belief, how do we know that this is an absolute belief sincerely held ? I think that the point is: we do...

From the OP: Thanks to @"Fooloso4" for drawing this to my attention. It meant that I paid more attention and found comedic elements I wouldn't otherwi...

So many ways to skin a soul :halo: :sparkle:

Re: Socrates. I step back from the whole debate about what kind of an -ist he is alleged to have been. What particular spirit led him and how - if he ...

Progress report: *struggling * Reading from beginning to end, as in a novel, is fine. However, this text is nested and includes sets of philosophical ...

Thanks. It is useful. Especially if suffering from eye strain. I downloaded the 8 audio files of Jowett's translation. Listening to the 1st one (17min...

I agree that going off-topic to a certain extent can be a valuable and further exploration. However, this appears to be more a continual pattern of di...

Thank you for quick response :sparkle:

Good call. I have had enough and contacted @"fdrake" via PM. Also flagged posts.

N.B. I was addressing your post: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/536374 Still you focus on @"Fooloso4". I will leave him to address ...

Interesting. Well worth keeping in mind. I expect there exists a Glossary somewhere which might help ? * Which translation are you reading ? I have re...

Your reply is most welcome - indeed any considered replies and comments about the text are - no matter when they arrive on the scene. The themes of pa...

I must intervene here because quite simply you are spoiling the thread with your focus on @"Fooloso4". It is not the case that the discussion is point...

I agree. That was behind my questions re @"frank" 's deep ( ? ingrained ) images and any changing worldview. It is the same for me, with any book or f...

If I had meant to say, "Fuck off", I would have. You wouldn't have to think about it. Your interpretation of my post as such, combined with an unwilli...

What kind of images ? When did you first read it? What was your worldview then related to philosophy, religion...? What is it now ? We could. How woul...

Right now, I am only reading this particular English translation. That there are more ways of interpreting and understanding I have no doubt. Informat...

Understood. I can postpone final judgement but not at the time of my reading and questioning. I assess as I go... This dialogue continues to intrigue ...

That is a quote I can relate to. :smile: Am I speaking to a ghost ? So, Plato in giving us an understanding of who Socrates was, gives several version...

Yes. I am trying to keep in mind that Plato is the one who wrote this dialogue even as he draws attention to the fact that he wasn't there, apparently...

From 64a - 67c, pp. 8-12. For me, reading this is both compelling and non-compelling. Compelling: following the arguments put forward by Socrates to S...

I don't know but it reminded me of something else - perhaps the Stoics. Something like it is only because of death that we appreciate life...i.e. it g...

A bit of dark humour re suicide and philosophers? p5 61b Can you imagine having this kind of conversation in your last hours ? And why wait until then...

I get what you are saying. However, I am not sure that any parts of the dialogue written by Plato are 'casual'. There is so much there - I don't think...

I am not forgetting time, place or person. I don't see Socrates as a perfectly virtuous man, no matter what he says or is alleged to have said. There ...

p1 59a Phaedo speaking: So, here pain and pleasure are mixed together - blending the feelings and senses of reflecting on death and loss of Socrates e...

I think that is the way to go. Will post something later re the pain/pleasure issue. the pain then is part of the happiness now. That’s the deal. ]

Perhaps I am wrong. And the best way would be to post own thoughts and questions first. Hmmm... But I have so many :scream:

Yes, and thanks for suggesting this to @"Fooloso4". It is a most welcome surprise. :cool:

Plato's Phaedo - this pdf is the translation with notes by David Gallop. Contents The translation 1 Notes 74 Notes on text and translation 226 Bibliog...

Appreciate that :up:

To read to get the gist, for simple pleasure - followed by a slower, more analytical read. Perhaps zooming in on something I find interesting or puzzl...

Thanks. I will disappear for a while to read the Phaedo... Do you recommend only reading up to a certain point before discussion, or what ?

Someone special...? I haven't listened to the Cranberries in such a long time. I'd forgotten how beautiful the sound. Strangely, given recent discussi...

Thanks for this. I have downloaded it and hope to read along with you and others. Ah, how intriguing. The dialogue sounds like a Russian doll. What ki...

That's OK. Unfortunate - because referencing sources is good practice. It helps to substantiate and readers can decide if it is a correct interpretati...

I got c. 14 mins of this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHp77_NfJag&feature=youtu.be I think enough already, don't you ?

That is my point. The substance of the post was a useful contribution to the way consciousness is defined. Why not make a response to that ? I underst...

This distracts from the point @"Daemon" was making* It was clear to me from the context. *John Searle says that, like many other terms, consciousness ...

Indeed. See also @"Wayfarer" right at the beginning https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/532466 Responses: From: https://thephilosophyfor...

In one sense, your post is an argument in that you are setting out statements as to what mind means to you.

OK. That is one mind talking, even if it is from the source of consciousness. For me, 'real nature' includes the brain and mind as tools which enable ...

Addendum: Re holding the 'I Don't Care' attitude. It can be harmful to us depending on context and why we adopt it. If the defence mechanism is activa...

'It Don't Come Easy' - Ringo Starr (2:54) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvEexTomE1I At the 'Concert for Bangladesh': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...