DingoJones

I was explaining the evolution of the word in philosophical academia, and not positing it as a reason to prefer one over the other. Im not trying to g...

Oh and thanks for the PM. Your response showed up this time, the first one anyway.

I think you have them in the right order. Science is by far the best means of gaining knowledge about the world, followed by philosophy which shares a...

Well, any other objective source I suppose, right? You do not buy any of those other objective sources I imagine but many do and to refute those syste...

Pragers world view? Divine command theory you mean? Its not just Pragers view, its widespread amongst christian apologists. Objective morality is one ...

Ok, thats one notion. Whats the other, and what “both ways? The notions are the ways? And what do you mean by “negative arising in life”? Sorry, Im ha...

Sorry, you lost me on that one. Which notions both at once? What “both ways”?

For some reason Im mot getting alerts when you respond to me. Anyway, your making assertions, not arguments. Also, are you trying to argue for moralit...

Again I disagree. I see no reason why those things cant be separated by the concept.

Not really, that would only be the case if the person only has thier life that can be taken away. Many people have more to lose than their life.

Well ya, thats what determinism is. Thats its defining feature.

Im not sure Id wax so poetic about it, but yes, suicide can be a perfectly rational, logical choice. People are always trying to project their own vie...

Well you are just stating that moral facts can only come from reason. Divine Command theory states that moral facts can only come from divine command....

Under Divine Command theory whatever god says is moral, is objectively moral and not arbitrary by definition. You have ignored the objectivity of gods...

Not sure I can agree with you there. Art can be dark, or abstract or sad, not “above” us at all. Humour can be self deprecating, or ironic, or clever....

Maybe you are a determinist after all, if you cannot deny the logic of determinism. Can you elaborate on what you mean by “inherent in some initial sp...

Well Im not getting my information from the internet, but from a university degree. Ive attended academia and learned from philosophy professors. Im j...

So I wonder why they havent bitten. Maybe the subject just isnt that philosophically rich, there is less space for philosophy to operate when the subj...

The change in usage in philosophical academia is due to the evolving argumentation in philosophy. The usage changes as new words come into play (like ...

You really should have known by the title of the thread that you’d get nowhere, although Ill concede that the level of dishonesty and bad faith respon...

Well, I didn't quote you as saying “reason” :wink: Those things you mentioned may be missing from philosophy, but wouldnt that mean philosophy never l...

You said lack of philosophy on humour was “yet another” reason philosophy is dead. What are the other reasons?

In what way is it dead?

Its such a difficult thing to have knowledge about because laughter is involuntary. Whatever processes humour triggers to cause laughter or amusement ...

Ok, fair enough, youre right you didnt say there must be a god. However, referring to a higher power is the same fallacy...well ok, I guess it depends...

No, I think that the confusion is in how I interjected. I wasnt arguing against Frank with you as a proxy, I just picked up on what you said in your o...

This is an argument from ignorance fallacy. Just because we have no explanation doesnt mean you can just make one up, you have to actually explain why...

That doesnt mean the word “theist” doesnt describe the person, its not the wrong category/label. (Although, it might mean it doesnt fully describe the...

A Christian is a type of theist, its not “too broad” a description its a broad description. The next question would be “what kind of theist are you?” ...

Im under the impression they are about logical paradoxes. Connecting them to mathematics is an extrapolation imo.

It would function the same way anything else is decided/judged by a collective. With morality the varied judgements within the group may differ on var...

Yes there is, it corresponds to whatever satisfies as reimbursement. This would be true even if I was talking about the individual, which Im not. That...

I dont think so. Zeno was making entirely different points with what you are referencing. He did not have anything like the quantum level in mind, but...

Sure, thats why they say former prisoners have payed their debt to society. I had in mind a moral sense of it though, but yes in principal its the sam...

What if you steal a pack of gum, but spend the rest of your life doing nothing but right to make up for it? Do we forgive the stolen pack of gum? Sure...

Objective/subjective is irrelevant. However you think of morality or the basis of morality doesnt matter, im asking about what those judgements would ...

You clearly do not understand what you are talking about. Just because you can call it fallacious, or claim you do not believe in logic does not make ...

If you are not interested in making sense then there is nothing more to say. If you are going to offer nonsense as a an argument, then you have ended ...

...the act of doubting requires existence. Your “creative” demon still has to make sense, it cannot deceive something that doesnt exist.

B would be the “we” I mentioned in my OP. This is about humans judging humans.

If by “unshakable” you mean certain, you can only be certain of one thing, you own existence. Its Decarte. You can doubt the nature of your existence ...

Ok, well first of all you are confusing atheists with cosmologist and theoretical physicists. This plus your use of “you lot” in reference to atheists...

Debate, or at least discussion (which *gasp* might include someone disagreeing with you) is what this forum is for.

Well come on, you’ve offered no good reasons to believe any if that is true. Do you have evidence, or at least a good argument as to why the universe ...

You’ve been watching too much Starwars. Your descriptor is completely unnecessary. Redundant. There is just the universe and the stuff in it. No magic...

Its hardly a “wild goose chase”. I referenced the last post I made, if you cannot follow the discussion one post past, I dont know what to tell you. Y...

Well no, that is the paragraph you DID respond to. Lol You just quoted the exact same paragraph you already did. Right, Im didnt suggest you were advo...

I think thats true some of the time, that moral axioms are just ad hoc rationalisations, but thats not true of all moral systems. Having an ad hoc jus...

You said this: I read that as morality is “based strictly” on whats good for society. If thats wrong, please explain what else you mean by that. Thats...

I think you are conflating law and morality and culture together. Anyway, not much point in continuing if you cannot talk about these explanations you...