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A Cosmic DNA?

Jacob-B March 05, 2020 at 16:58 2875 views 9 comments
A cosmic DNA?

According to the hard deterministic view, there is an inevitability about the evolution of the universe that is the result of the causal chain of events. That chain started at the singularity of the Big bang. In my opinion, that implies that everything in our universe down to my writing these lines was somehow inherent in some initial specific properties of the Big Bang; sort of a Cosmic DNA. Not being a determinist I cannot come to term with such possibility, but logically I find it hard to refute it.

Comments (9)

DingoJones March 05, 2020 at 19:07 #388717
Reply to Jacob-B

Maybe you are a determinist after all, if you cannot deny the logic of determinism.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by “inherent in some initial specific properties”? You are making an analogy to DNA, so do you mean there was some kind of blueprint, the way we have our genetic blueprints in our DNA?
Pantagruel March 05, 2020 at 19:45 #388732
Reply to Jacob-B In The Open Universe Popper presents a neat argument that, if you try to introduce the Laplacean demon into a relativistic framework, the necessary information to "predict" the future (=determinism) can never be available. So the universe must be "indetermined".

It's in section 17, "Is Classical Physics Accountable".
Jacob-B March 05, 2020 at 21:26 #388779
I would not describe as a blueprint as that would smack of a 'design'.
what I am saying is that that if one believes on determinism, one has to conclude that the shape of the universe at any time was determined during the infinitesimal small stretch of time post the big bang,
Zelebg March 05, 2020 at 22:06 #388797
Reply to Jacob-B
A cosmic DNA?

According to the hard deterministic view, there is an inevitability about the evolution of the universe that is the result of the causal chain of events. That chain started at the singularity of the Big bang. In my opinion, that implies that everything in our universe down to my writing these lines was somehow inherent in some initial specific properties of the Big Bang; sort of a Cosmic DNA. Not being a determinist I cannot come to term with such possibility, but logically I find it hard to refute it.


That’s right. Even if the universe is not deterministic there is no denying all this existed at least as a potential reality. Even if the universe emerged from nothing, before the nothing all this still existed somewhere in there as a potential reality. Even if the universe was created by god, before the god all this again existed as a potential reality. As a matter of logic, whatever came first, and regardless of determinism, there has to be some brute fact, something that just is, and all this existed as a potential reality even back then, if not before, whatever is that supposed to mean.
DingoJones March 05, 2020 at 22:18 #388802
Reply to Jacob-B

Well ya, thats what determinism is. Thats its defining feature.
Gregory March 06, 2020 at 21:08 #389120
Quoting Jacob-B
A cosmic DNA?


Schumann resonances (the pulse of the earth) is the same as human delpha waves and is needed for life to being. There is much interconnection because parts in our environment. They don't prove their is a god. Instead they show how connected we are even to the skies and that is fundamentally the religion people start myths

Quoting Pantagruel
In The Open Universe Popper presents a neat argument that, if you try to introduce the Laplacean demon into a relativistic framework, the necessary information to "predict" the future (=determinism) can never be available. So the universe must be "indetermined".

It's in section 17, "Is Classical Physics Accountable".


If compatabilism is true, science is indeed impossible. No longer can you say "I randomly selected this portion" because nothing is random anymore. We are completely at the mercy of a peek a boo universe that can do with us as it wilts

Jacob-B March 07, 2020 at 16:21 #389290
Reply to Gregory
My understanding of comtabilisim is that under certain circumstances you can make your own free will choice which is not deterministic. It is a bit like 'eating the cake and having it' but many philosophers
agree with it.
Zelebg March 07, 2020 at 16:47 #389295
Reply to Jacob-B
My understanding of comtabilisim is that under certain circumstances you can make your own free will choice which is not deterministic. It is a bit like 'eating the cake and having it' but many philosophers
agree with it.


Free will is only 100% free if it is 100% determined. That is 100% determined by the “self” and 0% determined by anything else. Therefore ‘free will’ is not about determinism, but about boundaries of “self" entity, its independence and autonomy.
DingoJones March 07, 2020 at 18:09 #389335
Reply to Zelebg

Well said.