DingoJones

Morality doesnt have to be a arbitrary, transforming quagmire. It depends on what its based upon, what axioms you are operating from. If morality is a...

Ok, gotchya.

Then you should pay more attention, a clear question (a few actually) was asked, in simple english. My second analogy was better than my first attempt...

Lol, ok. So an answer to my question?

Nothing wrong with vanilla ice cream. There is a question in there. Do you have an answer? Also, Im not arguing for or against free will. We can discu...

Are you restricted to a one paragraph reading limit? Respond to the rest of what I said. At least show you understand the analogy. Thats literally the...

Slavery is moral then? It fits both those categories.

You first lol How about you address the rest of my post? The part you quoted is my claim, what follows is the reasoning for that claim. That reasoning...

No they arent. Knowledge of what someone is going to choose to do doesnt effect whether or not they have a choice. If you think they have a choice to ...

Id bet ya if there was some way to tell...unless YOURE the troll! :brow:

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Youre being trolled dude.

I dont think so, because even if god DID do everything and that the answer to philosophical questions like what is moral or immoral is according to wh...

Ok, I think I understand you now.

Im not treating them like they are the same thing, Im referencing one to gain information about the other. You dont think a persons past actions shoul...

Ah, ok. In what way did I make a category error? Which categories?

You said: “DingoJones This assumes a scalar metric of moral action that accumulates and follows the usual arithmetic rules. Why assume that?“ I didnt ...

No problem. :)

...you realise my use of the word “debt” is metaphorical, right?

I dont know what to tell you. I disagree that any structures I used meets the minimum necessary requirements to be considered a mathematical model and...

Thats what I would consider a principal based ethic (“dont do this”), which I addressed in the OP. Ok, so unintentional consequences...where do we put...

Oops, please delete.

Ok, gotchya :up:

I think I disagree with that, but you had mentioned that you would argue that the heat of passion would make it somewhat forgivable if traded for 100 ...

Well, I don’t conflate the law and morality, I think of the two as distinct from each other, so youre really asking a different question from my point...

None of what I said was intended to follow mathematical rules. The terms were meant in a broad sense, to illustrate my points.

Ok, lets hear the argument.

But would his saving of lives be considered in the balance of morality?

Exactly. Thats essentially what Im asking. Why couldnt he? It follows the same rationale. If the ball kicking was ok, why not the murder?

Yes, i agree an accidental act isnt really a moral one (unless someone was so careless it was immoral I suppose), but what if the person saved the liv...

Sure, I get it, an enlightened, non-judging consideration. Im explicitly asking in the context of judging however, so that doesnt answer the OP.

So you think intention is definitive of how the balance is struck? Does it really matter why the person saves 100 million lives? Wouldn't you be glad ...

Lol, ya I know. Sounds silly when you put it that way. However, I wouldnt say that those actions you used balance out. Now, it doesnt really matter wh...

:lol: Thank you for putting in the effort on that one.

Its amazing how low his reading comprehension is. You answered his question in the first line of your response, but it just doesnt sink in.

Well not being omnibenevolent is not the same as being cold and distant. God could be mostly good but makes certain sacrifices for his plan or mysteri...

What do you mean by “too simple”? Sometimes things are done simply, such as the obvious logical contradiction of omnibenevolence and the horrible deat...

I didnt intend to mash all those things together, but to identify each separately as things that cannot be used to detect/ interact with the supernatu...

I meant it in the sense of those things which exist outside the ability to detect or test or interact with science. Ghosts, magic, gods etc...the thin...

Sure, but I think it makes a big difference if the fanaticism is making an appeal to the supernatural. Its easier to justify the most extreme acts/bel...

Thats not what Im doing. Im not saying im right because Im more educated than you, I dont know what education you might have, or from where. If you ha...

Im telling you whats taught in the institutions of learning dedicated to the subject matter, the result of long history of academics debate and study....

Nicely fact checked sir.

Thats one article, and maybe its on the cutting edge of philosophy and represents some shift in all of academia but I have my doubts. When you take ph...

I disagree, the confusion is about the terms. Atheism is about belief, ones position on a specific belief, agnosticism is about knowledge, what one th...

It doesnt force me to respond, and I do not respond in reaction to him being wrong. I CHOOSE to respond because he is an obnoxious asshat. Here, Ill d...

What a strange, backwards world we live in when we need to act like a disability is just a harmless difference rather than a detriment. I don’t know a...

Oh...ok. Thats too bad, almost seemed like this was the beginning of a discussion. Take care...

*takes a bow* I DO realise its a bit silly to argue over definitions, but when people do so through the filter of their belief or agenda it forces a r...

Frank is cut off though. Like that guy needs any more cognitive impairment.