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They can't relate to my concern, but perhaps to the injustice of a no opt out game.. The harm one subjectively feels is precisely what I am saying is ...

Because in the end, my stance doesn't promote and condone no opt out situations.. See this very thread for anticipated response (aka happy slave respo...

To be anti-work is to acknowledge that you are in a no opt out game, which is indeed an injustice. Not playing along with the de facto forced situatio...

Oh boy, I can predict the usual peanut gallery on this forum so well... Insert trivialization of the issue as.. right... here: Insert red herring of i...

The political agenda is one of seeing enacted someone "dealing with" the challenges of life . This game is inescapable, and one cannot opt out with di...

Amen...But don't worry an anecdote is coming to try to correct you displaying the "exception that proves the rule" of course :roll:

I mistakenly quoted the wrong thing, that first quote should read: This was a reply to @"Michael". I have updated the post to reflect that quote.

I already predicted this kind of response previously in this thread. Yes, that is repeating essentially what I said here: The game of life itself (or ...

My whole point is that work is an injustice because it is an inescapable you are putting someone else in that can't be opted out without completely di...

Oh, you want to opt out? You see te irony right?

Don't put more workers (people who have to work) into the world in the first place. Thus, The chains are the existential situation itself though.

It is when creating more workers. Nothing is done in a vacuum. Clearly something is enacted by being born (workers working.. "flourshing" you say).

This is it in a nutshell. You get it.

I don't want to wave this off as a naturalistic fallacy. I know what you are saying.. It is somehow what we "should be doing" as designated by "nature...

Glad to be in good company :D.

But to put more people into the situation of would be wrong until that problem is solved.

Gotcha.. I thought this line: Was saying, sort of even though they were "right" he still chopped the wood cause of the reasons he provided uniting avo...

Same answer as Tom above.

So, I should say "forced work". If you don't garden and you die or starve as a result, then that is what I am talking about. Whatever you must do othe...

So naturalistic fallacy then?

I'm not hung up on the term "game". It is an unavoidable set of challenges (some known, some unknown based on factors of cause/effect/contingency). So...

How so? The structures are in place (see "throwness" in Existential thought). The iterative structures in place create its own game (socio-political-e...

That's about applying statistical models inaccurately to real life situations. Not quite the same. So in my case, not to be taken literally. Rather, i...

This is where I think we disagree. Even as you decry one form of exploitation (Capitalism) you turn away from another (forced game of life). Like the ...

So the tramps go penniless cause the wood chopper was cheap :razz: . But more seriously, besides that most work does not unite the two, the fact of wo...

So are you just pro work or anti anti work?

Added more.

To create someone and have them go through challenges for no reason other than “views life as some grand thing” is still wrong. Not an excuse to make ...

So you are bordering on my previous thread about the "forced game". There is no way around the need for survival, which requires some system of work a...

@"darthbarracuda", I added more.

But see isn't this your argument. I am making the case in another thread that life is indeed a "forced game". Whether or not the contestants are happy...

@"darthbarracuda"@"DingoJones" I am going to see this similar to the "Happy Slave" scenario. A slave is put in the unjust situation of being limited i...

Stacey is in pain. Is that a fact or an opinion?

I can posit an alternate theory here.. Homo sapiens generally have identities. Once something gains an identity, it starts to become less likely (more...

Very good. Now how about no one asking you what to do, but doing it to you anyways, to you?

So the problem you're going to run into in all of this is people will always object to the objective component. They will just ask for a regress "Why"...

Come to this thread then :D. Forcing someone into the game's agenda...I would never impose though.. so only view if you want. https://thephilosophyfor...

What information where you referring to? I didn't see a link.

@"Down The Rabbit Hole" @"TheSoundConspirator" So I'm trying to develop the idea of more than just the "collateral damage" of the minority who view it...

I think you might be taking that metaphor too literally. To the extent that we are using "group think" I think you are correct. We often nag each othe...

Not sure about this. People make the decision. Things aren't brought into existence by simply "external forced" doing it on their own.

There could be an argument made that not procreating is the most just because there could never be something enacted upon someone else unnecessarily a...

And this is the basis of the asymmetry.

Right, but there is some way that this state of affairs is good or better than the other.

Interesting sci-fi spin on it. However, let me bring it back to the main point.. What is it about forcing people to play a game, with various obstacle...

So much of this OP was about how procreation is unnecessarily creating people that will be forced to work. The unnecessary part here is that, prior to...

Right, there is a way that preventing the planting of a bomb that would hurt a future person(s) is "good", even if there was no person alive to be awa...

Yes it does, but someone just doesn't get to a lava pit by itself. Someone had to arrange that before hand.. Let's say the intent was there, and you h...

Why should that matter? According to your logic, if the person didn't exist at time X, then it doesn't matter the outcome at time Y?

None of this is relevant. The agency is the parents, not proto-genetic material. What "caused" this sequence of events to take place. It is like the t...