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Excuse me, but if no person exists to miss out on the goods of life, why is that immoral if no one exists to be deprived? How is missed goods immoral,...

And this is almost exactly the reasoning behind my moral standard in antinatalism. I wrap it all up in the term "dignity". However, where I think givi...

So my point in the last post is that I don't think post-facto estimations of "worthwhile" reports justifies putting someone through negative experienc...

First off, you discount the pain of what happens when one does NOT like aspects of the game, whether or not someone reports "The game was worthwhile"....

It does seem that way. Philosophy to some just means debate.

Ok, so people peddle in hope-mongering. Buddhism, like all religions offer this. I can agree with that. No one likes the idea of no hope. Why start th...

Causing harm en toto, to alleviate your already existing suffering is what I'm against. There is no X that suffers anything. There is a Y that suffers...

Look at the context of what I was replying to. Otherwise stop trying to use this. It's not crass utilitarian either. It is caring for the person. As m...

You are not getting why I used that there. Stop taking it out of context. The reason I said that was that anyone can justify anything in the name of X...

The main argument is thus: Unnecessary is not ameliorating greater harms with lesser harms, but simply causing harm to someone for no reason other tha...

If snapping fingers was equal to today's situation, then certainly that would count.. Are there aspects of the world you would not have wanted to be t...

This seems like you are aiming for why people don't commit suicide.. An AN would argue that the threshold for starting someone else's suffering (wheth...

That has nothing to do with AN.. And the resemblance to Buddhism is the life is suffering aspect. Agreed about the solution to the problem. The AN doe...

Added even more to last post.

Added more to last post.

No, but there's a difference between simply tradition and philosophizing about an action, can we agree on that? Even the judgement that tradition is w...

I see AN similar to veganism. Not everyone would see the morality of it. Or one can say of the "realization" one has of class consciousness in Marxist...

Exactly :up: so much of advice is simply embracing the suck because what alternative is there? Ha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaANll8h18 Fact, bears eat beets. Bears beats Battlestar Galactica... False. That was not how I was defining the game...

False, there's two parts here: A) Someone preventing an injustice. B) Someone for which an injustice could happen. The part I am discussing is A. A is...

So suicide is not the escape because it is suicide. You are getting caught up on that. Rather, in this world, since there are very few options, suicid...

An injustice did not happen to someone. Why is the idea of “bad thing did not happen to someone” somehow not legitimate? The opposite is something bad...

Have you ever read David Benatar's Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence? He makes a distinction between starting a life and co...

You said this particular argument is just a case of "no suffering" when rather it's about not escaping.. yet you clearly said: It is precisely those d...

I want to address this because this is mischaracterizing the argument to make your point. By the way, have you ever read Arthur Schopenhauer's The Art...

Too late for the already born. However, recognizing our common suffering is one thing we can do. Of course, not bringing more people into the unjust s...

A would not necessarily be unjust. But the inevitability of B and C is going to be the case though (at least in this non-utopian world). Yes. So what ...

Antisocial seems to mean whatever negative thing you want it. Antisocial can simply mean, not enjoying other's company. I often see it used in terms o...

I interpret @"Albero"'s idea about pessimism in that why don't I discuss pessimism in more exposition rather than making these tit-for-tat microargume...

I just don't find this argument relevant of the morality of preventing future person from suffering. The fact that no person exists with an identity d...

Thank you.. This should be noted. It is good to know someone else is also paying attention :). I also agree that the more convincing argument is one f...

I don't think I have an answer for that. All I know is this is not that world. I guess if the main problem is lacking in a self-aware animal, it would...

A is lacking enough information and C is ignorant of the connection. Unjust remains but the connection of the birth to the situation of inescapable si...

Please read my profile, it explains essentially the answer to your question, both the general description and the quotes I provide from Schopenhauer. ...

You must be conservative, you really don't think what happens to people after birth :rofl:. That whole "conservatives only care about the "person" pri...

So I'm going to essentially disregard the "Most people" argument at the end there because as we've discussed at length, I don't think that a majority ...

Not sure where you are going, but A would be an injustice if that something was bad (like B). If C is a known fact, then it conflates into B, essentia...

Si let me know when life is that utopia

If you found out there was a god and let's say you deemed him immoral (let's say he set up an unjust and petty little game of working for salvation an...

Funny you ask that.. I just asked this in the Philosophy of Religion: Who here thinks that if they question the "game of life" that god setup and call...

Actually now that I read this again, you are just saying, things are futile in the long run.. The vanity of existence, etc.

Under this criteria, anything goes as long as it spreads like an internet meme. I'm after something different. Not sure your point, but you are right,...

It seems to me in this world that they can sufficiently change the game without dire consequences. In effect, they can sufficiently "escape", so barri...

I'm not defending it because I think it will take like wildfire, I just think it's right.

It's some sort of fallacy to think that because people don't go through with suicide that thus life is great.. Simply put, I am asking people not to p...

Not really.. I don't know the nature of this nebulous Utopia. If people can snap their fingers and leave the Utopia without any problems (internal str...

If other contingencies were met, sure (no impositions of harm, etc.).

If there are no dire consequences, then it wouldn't be violating the injustice I am talking about, at least in the example of work.

So how is this situation just, because it is a biblical reference? This seems like a biblical version of "Is something good because the gods like it o...

Wanting the unjust situation doesn't make it magically unjust. I am sure many a slave master wanted to keep slavery. Doesn't make it right. Their "rig...