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But what if a CEO actually did invent something useful, and got money for it, and employed people to work his fiefdom.. He would say that he made some...

Can you give examples? A book is simpler than a TV? But sitting around a fire is simpler than a book. A garden and a fire is simpler than a stove? Sil...

In a more mundane sense @"Bitter Crank" is right.. what can happen is employers pay workers the same or more but reduce hours.. In other words, reduct...

Yep, but the idea that one should not reduce work because it somehow confers a sort of virtue, is what I mean.. Work itself just has to be part of the...

But we like our plumbing, heat, cars, roads, electrical grid.. etc. etc. endless blather.. just think STEM fields. We like our movies, our popular mus...

A truism which certain other philosophies bypass.. But I won't say it. Service jobs and maintaining the machines themselves... probably not. The CEO b...

I asked what it would take. You said changing the values people live by. So it seems if given the maximum amount of consumer spending, people will tak...

Good luck with that.

Very punny.

And so then they join another company or try to start their own, which works out all the time of course.

Playing devil's advocate: Let us say that a CEO really is someone who invented something people wanted. He gets rewarded by profiting off his company....

Ok @"Bitter Crank", any ideas? Is the Protestant work ethic and un-American anti anti-work pushback a thing?

I'm going to go against the grain here as one of the only philosophical pessimists on this forum, and your OP seems right in my lane to respond to.. W...

Being born, it's the human condition to want and to know you want. Deprivation theory. You are deprived and that leads you to need and want what is no...

Thank you. Glad to bring it to light.

Don't make people play the challenge/harm/imposition overcoming game unnecessarily.

Well yes, I am an ardent antinatalist. A forced game with some more options is still a forced game. You cannot choose not to play the game unless you ...

Then how is it harming them if they don't have to follow it? I don't get it? Oh I see. If a bully cannot get to bully others, and this makes him suffe...

Then they don’t have to follow it. Being pained for not causing pain is my point. If that doesn’t compel you then I’m not forcing. It’s not forced. It...

If one is committed to not causing unnecessary and inescapable harms and impositions... We disagree as to happiness-making and virtue-making being mor...

It's not about blame. It's simply about what counts morally. Does giving happiness or the chance to be virtuous to someone else count as moral? I don'...

If I am causing someone to be affected for a lifetime of harm, then lets talk.. But making an argument that might harm someone because they don't like...

Computational connectionism

It’s made on another persons behalf. The reasons people use for why it’s justified to create suffering. Anything other than the child will suffer is t...

Throwing more people into the world is just enacting a political agenda. Someone just "MUST" experience this world. Why should they? Any answer to thi...

But why make Frankenstein go through it in the first place? Careless and didn’t think it through.

Oh right, I didn’t think I had to bring up the idea of consent and ameliorating greater harms with lesser harms but doing that now. Also, why is it we...

I have a theory that what made the Jewish religion "innovative" was its connecting ethical standards with a deity's mandate. From what I've seen other...

Let's take an extreme example of what your logic is saying. There is a sociopath that is really messed up. And that sociopath feels tremendous loss at...

I don't focus on blame. Let's say you've been eating meat your whole life and then you become vegan. Should you focus on what you did prior? What you ...

You’re falling for the tree falls in the woods idea. All you need is an agent who knows that preventing harm is good. The person who would benefit nee...

Perhaps.. but I can also argue that who needs gifts prior to being born? No one. And this goes to that asymmetry you hate. Positives aren't needed for...

I am not harming anyone nor doing anything extreme. I am not forcing anyone to do anything. Where are these extreme measures? I didn't say bring about...

Life has suffering. There is systemic and contingent forms. This seems to lead to some conclusions.

But they're not used. If I gave them no choice and forced them, then I am using them. Contra @"khaled" even, if I forced them into my agenda and they ...

But if there's no person beforehand to need an imposition, is that even right to impose with all the baggage we know is it can entail? In other words,...

No harm there lurking..It would just be nice to hear other views that aren’t just outright hostile or trolling. As far as virtue ethics, how would you...

This though is not nuanced and dynamic enough. Is life really a pinprick? There are multi various ways in which people have negative experiences. The ...

I'm going to direct that to @"khaled" since he's the one who is claiming this.

Not purely, negative X is all negative experiences.

Honestly I’d like to see other ANs debate here. Don’t at least you want to see arguments from others or are you fine hearing the same perspective? I’m...

wait, what is “it” here? I said starting negative X..meaning here all negatives in a lifetime. You are denying negatives exist now??

Yes, but the argument is that if someone says it is worthwhile, negative X is ok to start on their behalf, even if it was unnecessary (didn't need to ...

How are they being used? Did I force them? Can they choose another option? Can they walk away? Also it’s about not allowing an injustice to incur, fro...

So “who” is being used as a means here? An event?

But it doesn’t.

Very true. Yes, I agree. So the newest post hoc justification is the idea of "worthwhile". I'd like to know your response to that argument. So the arg...

And I ask again,

No. It’s caring about not causing harm in a future person. Not hard to tell the distinction between an event that could happen and one that could neve...

Sure, any particular reason?