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Not at all. You’re simply missing his points and/or ignoring them. He’s doing a fine job. Can’t help if you’re like a child with fingers in his ears.

You’re not even paying attention to his argument at this point. Frothing at mouth.

You realize anything can by fiat be called absurd right?

Yep Yep

Not the AN issue. Your reasons shouldn’t become another’s issue/problem/burden to overcome/imposition.

As you say, I’m not responsible for what I can’t know. I do know how birth is a major imposition and can be prevented so moot point.

Exactly!

Not a problem for anyone, literally, is it? I’m not taking away anything from anyone. But if you explore that implication you would be facing problems...

Casually associating AN with evil, whilst ironically, no one has to experience evil in the first place with AN. It’s a political position with ANs aga...

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When the world stops becoming something to complain about… These I don’t get.

I don’t get Bartricks using god as some thought experiment. I think a good analogy is rather a game that I think is good enough that I force other peo...

Fair enough. I simply liken it to a game players are forced to play lest they kill themselves. Seems like such a bargain is prime facie unfair. Your a...

Does it have to be even as far as horrendous evil? I’d think any non-individualized version of a person’s utopia would do. If it’s a god, you’d think ...

We are self aware and so we can’t escape that aspect of our nature. Hence objectifying highly sentient animals is a way we cope with the situation. Th...

Existence before essence is the case for humans in many ways that human pretend isn’t. Bad faith. :up:. The desire for sexual pleasure doesn’t seem th...

I think that is a good response.

I again see this as a relations things. Since we do have self-awareness, we can see that this person is still someone like us and thus we should treat...

A lot to unpack. So I consider it similar to a Trolley Problem. If you were to either save a close relative/friend or several strangers, what would yo...

Agreed but can there be a recognition of a spectrum of sentience and obligations to harm become more pronounced as sentience increases? I think there’...

Yes, I was just trying to show the analogy of an attacking animal to those who might say.. well wouldn't you kill X animal who might kill you? There a...

So if a mentally ill person comes at me with a knife and I harm him in self-defense, seems an obvious case of self-defense. Same with an animal who co...

We are the only animal that knows what we are doing while we are doing it. Existence is prior to essence. Saying we have an essence that is natural pr...

Let's say it's computer hardware software design for an electronics company that provides various technologies for hospitals, government, and the a va...

What if you had to give up any positive character trait to be like Larry? Would that be a world worth living in? The catch-22 is all the Larrys wouldn...

Yep, you make sense here. Seems to be the case. Not a balanced moderation. They think simply even "tolerating" AN threads is too much. One would think...

And I am doing so, as I have your whole-hearted support :wink:.

Axe to grind much? Whispering in his ear like wormtongue over here? Maybe not, being magnanimous to your interlocutor isn't your thing. Rather, being ...

I am not saying that it's either or with parents or helping those who already exist. Rather, in a world that is brutal to the Bobs.. that may be struc...

I like the perspective. Tying this in to modern society. Is there really room for Bobs? Aren't Larrys more prized?

Thank you for sticking up for my threads, T Clark! I appreciate your defense and kind words regarding my posts. I don't think that was a great way to ...

It’s more about what you find valuable, ethically or otherwise. Larry the asshole can be perfectly moral to you and you may value his productiveness o...

Larry is happy in his abilities. He goes home feeling content, even if it is with smug relish in how much of an asset he is to his company. He’s just ...

Do you think we have a duty to create more beings that need to fulfill some role like working in society? Mind you, not figure out what to do with tho...

Fuck em right? They mine as well be dead because they can’t contribute no? Seems to be about the tenor of all this.

Bold move picking Bob. But is he really what modern day society values? He’s actually a drag on production. How can your fence be built, your car be m...

@"Cuthbert" @"Tom Storm" @"Outlander" But it's also the immediate switch in values too.. As a consumer I want my fence/car/computer/X built correctly ...

Does the world need more output or nice people. To make it more pointed, why does the world need Bobs when you have Larrys? Any answer favoring Bob se...

How? One is useful in a tangible output way and the other is simply a nice guy but produces no output. That is comparable enough. Just saying, “it’s n...

You hit on so much that can be mined for ethics and values, meaning, and especially pessimism of social structures. I’ll need to get back to you on th...

No explanation as to why though. Because Banno said it isn’t enough.

I guess, making this a little more realistic.. Is being a good "company man" (meeting/agreeing with the boss/manager/owner's goals and exceeding them)...

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Why? Larry seems like a good one to pick, no? Assholes that make great X output still make great X output.. Isn't X output that is useful to society i...

What happens if the only measure of goodness was being good at the workplace? Would that be sufficient to you? In a way, what else matters in today's ...

Put another way: Is the value of "being useful at the workplace" more important than having a good character? This is NOT meant as a comparison of dif...

Is someone's usefulness to work more important than their character or vice versa?

Is sentience the most important value for you? That isn't even a value. Do you value emotional awareness? Loving-kindness? Technological efficiency? G...

Ok, so I think my OP was sufficiently unclear, and that is my fault. I may go back and change it. So this is not about "which worker would you pick if...

Thank you for thoughtful response, but same reply as Tom...