Not really, because ironically, FORCING a population to do something, even if to prevent ANOTHER forcing (that is to say procreating someone into the ...
Not really. It’s a measure of something but not what is the case with human suffering. There is no “they” prior to existence being forced into anythin...
@"Baden" @"Jamal"@"Hanover", just put this in the Life Sucks thread please. Remember, we don’t tolerate speech about philosophical pessimism. Or is th...
How is this either empirically or ethically justified? Having X amount of technology doesn’t a paradise make. I’d rather the option to decline the cak...
The problem of burdens in the first place. Forced situations that one would otherwise not have wanted to deal with. We are always put in a deprivation...
Zapffe's view is that humans are born with an overdeveloped skill (understanding, self-knowledge) which does not fit into nature's design. The human c...
Kant would say if it is "merely" treating someone as a means. I would say that the arrangement of the workplace is exploitive by it's very nature beca...
I just don’t see what you were or are getting at. Cabrera as far as I can interpret, is saying that life entails violating the minimal ethical stance....
Your relations become a skewed version of yourself to “get shit done”. How the negatives of this arrangement are not recognized is beyond me. Do you n...
But that’s my point, it all depends if you are valuing what you are doing or you are doing it because you need a paycheck. Huge difference. My hunch i...
Also, if you truly want to stop sanding the wood on your spare time, you can. If you want to keep going you can. If you want to keep doing something t...
You are not dehumanizing your friend though to an object. A true friend is someone presumably, who you would care for their well-being and vice versa....
I don't think so. Pessimism reveals what is intractably negative about life. One of them is the entailed transactionism, especially of the modern econ...
Not the same. You both hopefully enjoy the company for friends. And you can leave friendship and your material well-being isn’t entailed by the relati...
But they can’t. You do job or you get fired. You do something for a friend because they are your friend. You do something for an employer because you ...
Not saying you can’t make friends at work or people can’t override this transactional nature, but that is a contingency and not the essence of how the...
Yeah, but how is managing a business and dealing with coworkers a natural way that you would talk with a friend or family or a member of your in group...
So you are unnecessarily taking my argument down rabbit holes. Let's start from the beginning. Life itself is something where once a person is born, t...
Of course I get what you are saying, because that is what I am saying. Complying is not JUST one arrangement (the modern Western capitalist economic s...
You tell me. As long as life is non utopian for that individual, the question becomes irrelevant as to whether it is objective or subjective. I am not...
I mean the following: A) Imposition- foisting one's will onto another. B) Imposition- creating a burden for another. Both of these definitions can app...
A utopia specialized to your tastes and where boredom itself doesn’t exist, cause it’s a utopia. However, utopia means “nowhere”. Meaning, this is not...
it’s not even ethical to have children because it’s forcing them into complying (aka working) or kill themselves through slow degradation or suicide. ...
There’s always a starting point from which one is trying to overcome. Buddhists and mystics will say this life is an illusion. Yet why is there an ove...
Right on the money. Agree 100% that this is what this thread is for. Ironically, this parody thread gets a pass and yet productive philosophical conve...
I remember reading that something like 80% of the Native Americans in that area were already wiped out from disease (like small pox) brought by explor...
I never got your mention, but saw the title so luckily caught your post. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, thanks. It's interesting you mention the p...
Schopenhauer had his poodle and violin. I'm sure he was thankful for it, despite the suffering world he wished wasn't the case. He saw compassion as a...
Just wrong/error in thinking because this isn’t addressing that consent cannot be had. That doesn’t negate this fact. Just because it’s post facto als...
Depends on a lot more than you are saying. First off, many arguments being made here are ones about impositions. What kind of impositions are acceptab...
Antinatalism IS an ethical idea that that is what is being contemplated. There are many arguments of various takes on the matter. Why wouldn't it be a...
That's not @"Tzeentch" argument at all in this current argument. In fact, it wouldn't matter what people do or don't do in terms of technological brea...
The problem is isolating what would be instinct. Instinct to me, seems like a drive you cannot but help. So an instinct to eat perhaps, go to the bath...
You cannot just do anything in the name above. Having "good intentions" isn't license to do what you want to someone else. You probably know this thou...
This. But I have some more to add, and I'm wondering what Tzeentch thinks of these ideas. First off, I think that life is way more nuanced than the bi...
I CANNOT in good conscience FORCE you to start a game because I think there is some chance you can change the rules (which is extremely hard), and thi...
Nah man, it doesn't go away. That is the point of the perennialism of Schopenhauer. it's a reason he was very opposed to Hegel's upward spiral notion....
I think yes, there is an inherent kind suffering (like dukkha) that is very much the heart of the whole enterprise of life. There is a sort of lack-of...
Not addressing his argument. Red herring. Applying morality to things that by definition can't be moral is a category error, including most animals. N...
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