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Granted. But an answer to a slightly different question. Most people would choose Larry if it was a matter of retaining worker. No one really cares ab...

Why can't I have whatever I want when I want it? Same. The question was about importance. So it's weighing importance here, and the nature of what is ...

Ha, I like the picture you paint. However, indeed Larry's output/abilities/capacities cannot be replaced in any foreseeable future, and in fact create...

Let's say that even though he's an arsehole, everyone else is indifferent to it because they have become used to it. Everyone is humming along nicely ...

Ok, so I was a bit hasty with your last response. I do appreciate you answered thoughtfully here. However, Bob, being inept at everything related to u...

More important for X. You decide. Everything is open EXCEPT saying BOTH are important for X reason/ends. You can even pick whatever reason or ends you...

I think it's compelling enough. You have a nice guy versus a useful guy and more elaboration on how. I also mentioned how the useful guy is really use...

Ok.

Up to you, but you have to pick one. It's not only picking the person, but what it represents, right? So character, usefulness is the basic dichotomy,...

Isn't that the name of your game? I mean you can retreat into what I predicted you would.. "That you are posing as ironic" all you want. Smug is smug....

How is that "to the contrary"? That is precisely what I said was easier to do.. (to pick both of them). Though I appreciate your response, you didn't ...

No problem. Love telling smugs why the be smugs.

HILARIOUS :rofl:. You are one of the smuggiest passive aggressiviest posters on here. You know it too. You cannot be that un-selfaware.. Or you are be...

I mentioned nothing about you improving things so you’re hurt over your own red herring reaction. What I said was against the idea that a person being...

That's fine. Germans living under Nazi Germany felt more content in the 30s. Colonizers killing aborigines in Australia felt more content. Southern US...

Many of Bart's ultra-ad homs and trolling are really not much worse than things you and others tend to do and say to taunt others rather than engage w...

But looking at it, just more of the same from you.. A small sentence that has little weight behind it except that you "don't like bad ole antinatalism...

To be fair, I didn't read what you were replying to, but that got my spidey-sense going with the phrase "capabilities.."

Good one :roll:. But indeed it is managerial speak to make more work for others. It's a "learning opportunity" is another one.

This is an excuse a manager uses to justify giving subordinates more work. It's shining a turd.

A manager would say that yes. But this is the kind of manipulation slogan a manager might use to justify their subordinates to do more work. The pessi...

Ever the quote if managers giving more work to their subordinates. You can quit a job but not life itself though, lest death. Cold comfort. Paternalis...

How is this alone not reason to not willingly produce more beings into that situation? The inevitability of X suffering, doesn't mean that one thus ha...

A point of view has real consequences when it affects/effects others. Affirming life (and then having a life) will affect others.

Ford, Edison, Tesla, it was all with money. And the list goes on and on.. In fact, some technology absolutely needed government backing first.. usuall...

You have to do it. If not, free riding SOB, born into wealth, or they want you to kill yourself so you aren't a hardship on those that do work. Pessim...

They are all subsumed. Look at my text in parenthesis closely.

Wow, nice contribution. Really making strides. Glad you shared your precious thoughts. Glad you made time to respond.

I see the problem rather that there is a system that always has to be in place when someone is born. It is a system that gets entrenched and thus we b...

I think it is so loosely defined, that there aren't really "schools" of pessimists, but just individual pessimists with similar themes. However, I can...

Fair enough. I think it important to point out these pervasive negatives that we cannot escape. It's like being taken advantage of but not knowing it,...

I'll back up. I said in a reply that I am diagnosing more than prognosing. I am giving the landscape.

What can be done about it?

Much of life we are zombies repeating same behaviors over and over. You can fast forward most of peoples day and nothing of meaningful experiences or ...

Dumb trope. That’s not how it necessarily goes. I can commit suicide or accept that I can’t change things. I want to be in neither position. But I can...

Really? Survival in a social context seems pretty accurate to me.

For Schopenhauer for example, suffering is a constant lack we are always overcoming but never reaching. Human existence can’t help but be this and thi...

Of course with anything values, it must had agreement on terms and go from there.

Yes which is why I mentioned It’s about human/animal condition.

You can be a non-depressive antinatalist. You are confusing a cause with the evaluation. We may project meaning, but we cannot help but being a we. Yo...

So this is exactly what philosophical pessimism isn’t. Rather, philosophical pessimism is an evaluation of the state of animal/human existence and not...

I quite clearly did. Not self congratulatory. If you want to readdress it, go ahead. But I’m Not repeating my argument as it still stands.

Yeah that happens with him, unfortunately.

I'm more diagnosing right now rather than a prognosis. But yes, certainly antinatalism would be an appropriate response. Can society be ordered differ...

Yep, I'd agree. That would be a good answer for @"Isaac"'s red herring. He was trying to make an argument whereby "If schop1 can't be bothered to save...

Good faith debating isn't necessarily in Isaac's toolbox. It's funny, I've had a back-and-forth with him several times and I've also used the term "no...

Do you think we have an obligation to protect other humans in a natural disaster?

:up: Yes, and not just that but hapless users/consumers.. Not co-creators in. Which again, goes back to your first point.

Exactly.

Is it true though? Do you think that we have an obligation to save wild animals in a natural disaster? The same way as humans? Because that's what the...