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But notice, the things that count are creative within the system, not questioning it altogether. Useful not questioning the system itself. Also, brini...

Excellent quote! Peter Zapffe has some similar ideas here:

Also this works itself in different ways in how values play out... The conformist personality has less angst in overcoming negative feelings regarding...

But I am saying, that choice, for personality theorists seems to be fixed, and isn't "really" a choice. The pragmatic-minded stays with their mother. ...

But the damage is done. The state exists. Hence its retribution. Imagine someone with a completely opposite view. You’re both forced into the contract...

That’s part of my point though. No one will agree on any form. You are subject needing or utilizing the minimal benefit as much as the next person. We...

So the theory essentially takes into account that we are born into a particular system. Being born into the system is "entering into the social contra...

I value not working, but working brings sustenance materially, so it seems to me, we can value things that don't bring maintenance (not working) but a...

I also don't want to lose sight of the OP here. I am not really advocating a very specific program, but trying to justify Social Programs or a broader...

I mean, healthcare isn't an exact science anyways, and we are experimenting with people as much as not providing them healthcare than with providing i...

Not sure what you mean. You'd have to explain a lot more for me to comment one way or the other. How is something like universal healthcare bad for th...

I guess it's another question as to how this is to be done.

Which part? It looks like you agree here. I am rather saying that being that no one could ever consent to this arrangement, and understanding that eve...

Anyways, this all has implications for political theory in general. I was just listening to something about the The Society of the Spectacle and could...

I changed the first sentence so you can get past your bad argument. I was going to say don't be a dipshit but, I figured if it gets you to engage the ...

Not even worth answering. Yawn. Anything else? I see you have not thought through the implications that being born means always being born into someth...

Finarfin answered you already. No need to red herring again. Besides this clear red herring is there any legitimate objection, comment, or support for...

Thank you, sir! :smile:. Nice turn of phrase and, yes exactly.

The whole "scientism" vs. "post-modernism" debate is subsumed by existentialism. That is to say, at heart, we are creatures that can do what we don't ...

As with everything social, it comes down to agenda. What are people supposed to “get out of living” exactly? Your answer is the transgression. Progres...

Agreed. I meant people using Wittgenstein to say you can’t talk about anything “meaningful” in regards to metaphysics or ethics etc

Wittgenstein is useful insofar as his language games concept. As long as we are using the same language, games, and agree on the definitions of what t...

No just as de facto what we have. It’s like saying, it’s better to have food than no food. It’s almost too common sensical to make any impact as far a...

So your OP was about separating means and ends. Forcing others to do things for ends seems to be a violation of autonomy in regards to the means, no? ...

But seriously, fun post. However, several things: Is direct sensory experience in the mindscape or just abstracted thoughts? In other words is me expe...

Put down the ganja and walk away slowly. Breath heavily and take lots of water. Lay down. The world will stop spinning soon. Dry mouth will continue f...

It’s not rare that people will be forced to do X even if it’s supposedly to be in their interest. Who decides when and what and who and all that. They...

If it is unnecessary to cause the harm TO THAT PERSON affected.

Same with Cathars, some monks, sages and such in history… The Roman Empire, Greece, had tons of it. Middle Ages had surfs which are practically slaves...

Well, you got to my point first, hats off to you. While I sympathize with your romanticism, as BC pointed out. It's all pretty tedious stuff. Some of ...

The point was that there is a parallel here in that at the time of the abolitionist in the 1700s, they were the MINORITY. It was an example of somethi...

Because progress isn’t always apparent immediately nor maybe ever.

Circular argument dude. You ALREADY have the conventional notion that slavery is bad. That’s my freakn point.

I was simply saying, "Most people" doesn't mean much and I will keep repeating why as I did in my last post (cue slavery and other past conventions th...

Hey now!

But my point was "Science" is the tedium. Otherwise it is just more achoring myths. I'd put it really as entertainment more than myth. But we love our...

For a long time, most of humanity thought that the sun revolved around the Earth. It's lack of perspective. It's also a blindspot, I would imagine for...

And what is left? Imagine a world where everyone helped everyone else continually with no entertainment. Imagine a world where everyone just entertain...

Again, in first world nations, look at the rise of the middle class from the mid-1800s. That fact cannot be denied, would be the reply. Development th...

That's not true. The mere act of "trying" to cooperate may cause issues relating to autonomy or lack thereof.

What does it matter? Some racists will remain racists. At one point, let's say, 51% of people were overtly racist. And so? Providing some popular conc...

Also, I see that you’re trying to implement some sort of pragmatism of morality for cooperation l. However, this is endlessly subjective. One persons ...

The greater point is that all moral decisions except the one I mentioned have an element of harm, so that’s inescapable in this universe. You mean to ...

That doesn’t change the fact that if someone is not born, that person would not be harmed. That is just a fact. However, almost all other moral decisi...

I've held the position that in life, all actions will have a certain amount of amelioration and compromise. Ironically, the only time one can perfectl...

I wanted to bring your attention to the critiques I brought above, and see if you have any answers to that: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/...

You can be a happy go lucky antinatalist. And there are! Doesn’t change the argument anymore than depressed people against poor leadership. Depressed ...

I think people try to make the dichotomy between science and religion when really, it’s tedium of the endless minutia involved in technology and the f...

The new enchantment is the tedium of the knowledge class and the New Age sentiments that have developed in response to the minitia mongering. Technolo...

Who countered what? The rest of the world are individual decisions of people. Many wrong. Lot of wrong choices made by lots of people everyday. No, yo...