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Correct (doesn't matter on a cosmic scale). That is why I said, to the universe a rock breaking and head rolling doesn't matter (obviously). Does chan...

There is a subject this is happening to.. a perspective in the first place.

Do teleological projections have problems, or do agents have problems? Are they agents if there is no perspective there? A machine can be coded thus a...

Schopenhauer has always had the best writing on this phenomena: Ascetic movements and religious practice seem to reify quietude of the "will" which I ...

This wasn’t my argument though either.

Granted, but doesn't answer the question :).

As I stated here: Don't know what this means exactly. If plants aren't conscious, do they have "problems"? Does reproduction and fitness not occurring...

Correct. So I guess. I don't care if you use strictly "Euthyphro" or not. I am just interested in debating the argument I have been laying out and you...

I actually agree in a sense that some things cannot be divorced from their cultural context. For example, Pauline Christianity subverts more-or-less a...

Um, I'm not sure your quibble here, as I see no difference really to what I am saying. The basis of Euthyphro is whether something is good because the...

These are just posts on a philosophy forum. Existential therapy. That’s all. Communal recognition. “Do you see this too?!” I’m not merely information ...

@"Janus"

You didn’t pay attention to my argument on my original argument on this. If the same entity wanted Bad things to happen to creatures as part of his di...

But I think it can apply to the monotheistic god. That is to say, what is a god who allows/approves/creates/wants suffering? If that is good to want t...

The problem being that one doesn't affect others (more than being a bit sad at a philosophy) while the other has a major affect (a whole other person ...

So here is a little (not so much a) secret: Antinatalism is a protest against evil and impositions. It's about representation and signifiers, not nece...

This is something they do yes. I’m refuting their justification for its rightness and have explained thus.

Then explain what you mean by “aesthetic faithful”? There is no Beaty on suffering or having to “learn your lesson” by suffering :roll:. I’m saying th...

This simply has to be true to refute the whole beautiful and good of the religious aesthetic. Suffering is a problem. What god wants this? Whatever an...

And so this in itself is acknowledging the silliness of reifying what is traditional BECAUSE it’s simply the holdover from the last major change. It c...

So you deny suffering exists because you don’t suffer? Don’t we expect infants to get beyond those views fairly early? Like there are fundamentalists ...

I think my quote sufficiently refuted their purported aims as to indeed be cherry picking. Christianity was the naughty interloper interrupting thousa...

Charmed life? Perhaps. But verbal accounts at the least provide contrary evidence. Selective data set allows for any number of false accounts. Try har...

They should reject Christianity as a liberal innovation on the traditional paganism which also valued plurality and syncretism :chin:. Wait a minute… ...

I get your argument, but I’m questioning their premise. How can they only see the beauty and not the other?

I think Schopenhauer did more than a fair job describing how this world isn’t even close to that description. In fact, if there is one, and it isn’t s...

Lamenting the aristocratic vice of aristocratic vice tracks with aristocratic vice too. Hopefully pessimism is accessible to all.

True enough, but I guess, at what point can we distinguish between consolations and telling it just how it is? Precisely because they aren't trying to...

A better format here might be to encourage people to explain why they are reading that book. What motivated them and what do they want to get out of i...

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It's reifying of what we don't have. Sorry. It's like philosophy is always trying to give consolation prizes. I just don't engage in that kind of putt...

Indeed. If Chomsky is right (which he might not be), the ability for language gave a recursive-ness called "merge", that allows for constant thinking ...

I would use the term "conceptualizing" rather than "reason" for a number of reasons :smile:. Conceptualizing, with the ratcheting ability of language ...

It is precisely that we have music and philosophy (and other conceptualizing-phenomena) that we don't ever reach the sublime. All this hoooha, to try ...

It's interesting to me to know when the Yawhist cult eventually took over the Israelite/Judaic religion completely. It seems like a contingent of "pro...

God is the last bastion for many to have superstitions. Even those who are agnostic/atheists probably retain some odd fears and ritualistic prohibitio...

Best description of how to describe the 2000 year Christian phenomenon: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DK5MMOH5OXQ That's from a much longer video of ...

@"plaque flag", is that your new name now? Do you think that giving someone a deficit to overcome is immoral, bad, unjust, not right, etc?

Agree with all of this. I am interested in your ideas on what the Son of Man (or son of man?) was at that 1st century time. Was it later interpolation...

Indeed, probably a better version, but let's not anachronize it to Jesus' time when ideas of a messiah were very fluid. Son of Man / Enoch tradition s...

Yeah. It does seem that he formed communal societies of sorts where pooling resources and charity and such was a thing. Perhaps, this was in imitation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Qo6wzU7F8 One thing I don't quite buy in Dawkins' theory of kin selection and altruism is that I don't see that prec...

I don't think @"green flag" meant that way of being elusive. Rather, I think he was meaning that it's elusive in how it fits in the narrative of other...

Cool. We are on the same page I think. That's all I was getting at. So I guess to put it together with your other ideas of better philosophers, I don'...

Right, but I was just wondering if his teachings were mainly a response to what was taking place. At least, as much as we can surmise of the ever-so-b...

Yep. That seems to be the case. Good way of putting it "cannot..be plugged into the rest of the causal nexus" and a "surplus" or "remainder of public ...

Can you blame his tendencies though? Oppressive tax collectors, leadership that was nominally Jewish (Herod), and ones that were flaunting pagan symbo...

If someone were to claim that "feeling like something" is a property of the universe, this would raise questions about what is meant by "feeling" in t...

These are all physical events. If you said to me, "a feeling of melting is felt by the ice cube", becomes a question of "how?". And you can say, "feel...