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But we are primates who can deliberate, so are we really the same in that respect to other primates? Are we not more like Zapffe's mechanisms of ignor...

I heard about the Musk thing. Really weird anti-democratic stance. Nietzsche, as you may know, I find problematic as he is another philosopher used to...

Also, on point 1 there, others will argue that creating people that can experience happiness/good things is somehow "moral" despite creating the suffe...

Hey plaque you're back! Good to see you. Yes, that is it basically. What @"180 Proof" wants to do is to try to make the attempt "futile" and to say th...

I agree with the sentiment but contend the particular point. Are humans "hard-wired" to have children or are we a more complex (albeit still animal) t...

Questioning why we create burdens and increase our version of enthalpy machines is not a futile endeavor even if it’s too late for me. Precisely becau...

@"Wayfarer"@"apokrisis"@"BC" Going back to enthalpy. Why is it we would want to burden people rather than quietude? Wayfarer said “gesture towards non...

Now magnify that over a lifetime with no escape.

You’re dodging the question at hand. You know entropy and POVs. I am not questioning if it’s good to gift more if you make others deal with entropy. F...

You mean like higher love? https://youtu.be/k9olaIio3l8

Yet if you admit deliberation than deliberating the ethics of creating another POVs dealing with entropy is an example of this. More existential and s...

The problem I have here is self-fulfilling prophecies. Buddhists do it when they say that humans need to be born to suffer to escape suffering. But yo...

That's an error to muddle deliberation with necessity. No decision has to be made one way or the other. People have reasons and act upon them. As for ...

The bolded one is much different. One you are fighting your own entropy. The other you are creating another (POV!) creature fighting entropy. We want ...

Neural networks? Indeed, but your systems view discounts that procreation is a choice. Ascetics exist. Birth control exists. Abstinence exists. Pessim...

Energy is energy is energy until it has a point of view. Then it is just cruel-ty. Are humans causing other humans which need to do their little ascen...

Indeed that’s @"apokrisis" big one.

Haha, that is an interesting take. I am thinking more on the idea of creating work to counteract the forces of entropy. Animals are fighting this all ...

Precisely my point. It’s someone else deciding. It’s political.

My question to you is why do the majority keep on (making the mistake of) trying to make a meaningful gesture towards being? I noticed you never answe...

Agreed. Agreed Indeed, the problems come down to various levels of tolerance for discomfort caused by other people. There are unfortunately plenty of ...

All very good and useful information. HOWEVER, doesn't quite get at the rest of the OP. I worded the title to be a bit more general than the OP's ques...

It’s getting too in the weeds.

It does turn into self fulfilling outcomes it seems. It’s also oddly denying certain people have agency.

This is venturing into picayunish/pedantic territory but no, it is doubtful that the law would be so individualized that it accounts for each person’s...

Sure, you can try to argue this or that exception. However, dogs are unpredictable when faced with various situations and assumptions shouldn't be mad...

I think this goes back to the distinction between supererogatory and minimum threshold of ethical standards:

There's a correlation, but its not a fixed law. You break a glass bottle on public or someone else's property, the consequence is the same no matter w...

Correct. If you can't keep the dog properly protected and contained, then that is not meeting the threshold. Yes, supererogatory is the concept that o...

Indeed, that's why I think it is important here to make a distinction between "minimum threshold" and "supererogatory threshold". See here:

So I think this is a bit of a red herring or straw man. Or perhaps it is just framed in a way that is too black-and-white. Rather, can there not be a ...

Hmm. So if it’s you (or a loved one) who gets bitten by the poor guy’s dog, do you say, “mea culpa”?

@"Jamal" maybe you can kick this off.

What became of the Chomsky thread? Did he ever answer?

That birth is a political decision because involves making decisions for other people?

Philosophical pessimism is simply recognizing suffering exists and proposes what to (refrain from) do(ing) about it. It's pretty simple. Writing can b...

That sucks , he was a good poster.

Yes, Socrates. Whilst I think that is a perfectly valid and correct interpretation, I don't think it can be the only one read from this. I think the q...

But what about it? Any response that doesn’t step into the predicted rebuttals of self fulfilling idea that suffering exists, therefore we are justifi...

No they don’t. If you knew a child was going to suffer immensely right after birth, would you not consider preventing that? Of course you would. It’s ...

Why?

He’s talking to a hypothetical depressed suicidal for sure, if they are going to kill themselves. Your observation doesn’t matter to the point he’s ma...

You can't predict that. Also, who are you to determine what other people view as what is impactful or not? Also, things change all the time. One well-...

But not by default. So a problem to be resolved.

What does this have to do with my question? If it does, "enlighten me" (get it!). Moksha means something like "release". Because Hinduism is so divers...

Yeah that response that you okayed there is exactly an example of my point here: Yes. The ascetics have it. They veer away from it when they do summer...

Ok, so if it is, so what? What is the implication? It sounds like you're trying to say something with that label.

Nihilism is multi-faceted. It's like "realism". Art realism? Metaphysical realism? Epistemic realism? Etc. I just find the term unhelpful really. What...

Nihilism doesn't have any ethics. Pessimism is more fitting.

Yes. The ascetics have it. They veer away from it when they do summersault justifications like, "Humans are needed so they can break samsara, thus mak...