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I am an ardent antinatalist- not so sure about "efilist". As for suicide, indeed if you read how I'm interpreting Schopenhauer, the ascetic man's fina...

You misinterpret me. First off, I am proposing an even more extreme version in the Schopenhauer brand of asceticism. I am claiming that in his version...

This would be completely anathema advice to the what the ascetic viewpoint. It precisely leans into the attachments and that which causes more pain. T...

I am not quiet sure what you are saying. If the ascetic follows it all the way through, they kill themselves through starvation. If not, I guess minim...

Absolutely. But I did say this: That is to say, the best some might be able to do is limit engagements, not completely eliminate them.

Two things to note about Schopenhauer's approach, or as I tentatively see it (it is complicated): 1) I think there is an idea of "grace" in Schopenhau...

You might be interested in my last post as this kind of addresses some paradoxes/questions you raise. https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/commen...

@"I like sushi" Imagine an analogy relating to social relationships and the concept of withdrawal. Picture existence as having a kind of "trickster" e...

I’m on a philosophy forum. Debating ideas.

You would have to prove that there is an underlying principle that is necessary for government to even justly operate. The American Revolution used a ...

So, are you critiquing Schopenhauer, Buddhism, or asceticism in general? If you have a specific issue with these philosophies, lay it out- I'm genuine...

That is what most animals do. But I am talking about self-awareness of existence (pretty just us).

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Ok, what about it? You can't escape from yourself is not a response to the idea I am proposing. Are you familiar with ascetic practice? Schopenhauer e...

So is this like Corvus in the other thread? Am I supposed to refer to the Hollywood movie where the curmudgeon main character learns that human connec...

Queue Hollywood movie. So you didn't really read my post. You don't get what I am conveying about Schopenhauer. Do you know what a charitable reading ...

Yeah sorta my OP. What’s your point other than cliches? Read my op as I don’t think you grasped what I was conveying,

Best preventative option is not producing more workers. For us laborers already here, I did say this:

I gave you language more adept at conveying non-willing, as you noted action words driven by goals. As far as the ineffable, it isn’t hard to articula...

I guess it works more like in this post..note, language is tricky here:

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All of what you said is pretty much the opposite of Schopenhauer's claim. Figure it out.

With other people, its more pain. With life, it's more pain. And thus, one gives up perhaps eros or philia for agape. Loneliness becomes aloneness bec...

:up: What's stopping me, is me. But as for the starvation, I wonder how far Schopenhauer intended the ascetic. Sometimes I think he thought the asceti...

Fun quote.

:up: Human social interaction, for all its surface appeal and fleeting “highs,” often pulls us into cycles of drama, pain, and struggle that leave las...

This isn’t about a rigid rule for how every single person should live; it’s about recognizing that most of our daily struggles come from entanglements...

:up: They say life is short, but it can actually be pretty long. We are all paying for it. Novelty and certainly more human entanglements seem to make...

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/945186

Humans are so addicted to human interactions we are debating stuff as: A -> Not -A We love the drama, the strife. We learn through dialectic, but we a...

My point in asking what the monk would say, wasn't that I thought he would evangelize the greatness of the monk lifestyle. I think withdrawal being co...

@"Wayfarer", what if someone asked that to one of the monks?

But then you left!

Ok, so this speaks to what I'm saying when I said, "at least in ways they think". It relates to my other thread about finding comfort in ones solitude...

This is exactly the utilitarian approach Schopenhauer would point to as obfuscating the underlying problem. The drama and conflict that comes from rel...

Indeed, they live a lifestyle more to this regard. The hermit more so.

I'd have to look at the context again, but the quote as is looks like it is saying that the "mob of humanity" try to get rid of boredom. Part of their...

I'm not sure where you are getting that he "promotes" boredom, as the quote you have above clearly states that it represents a part of the suffering. ...

Huh? Boredom is a feeling important to Schopenhauer as to him, it is the emotional state of existence laying itself bare to a highly self-aware mind. ...

I don't think it works like that. First off, we know we die and that there is a demise. Then there is the fact that we are lacking and strive for sati...

Suffering as Schopenhauer defined it, is structural and contingent, pleasure is only contingent. As a more straightforward point, suffering is all tha...

Indeed, and this is an important insight, yet it’s often put aside.

This kind of stuff. There are a lot of structural elements to knowing about existence, many of them negative.

Nah, I mean the concept of suffering is entailed in being self-aware of existence. If you are not self-aware (of existence), you probably don't unders...

At the end, it is a slow withdrawal from the world in general. Social entanglements bring strife and are one factor one can minimize.

I always found this pretty telling:

Oh and to also be a demonstration of what I mean.. I am now pissed off at one poster, annoyed that people aren't engaging with it the way I was hoping...

Cool

:up: Yep, it is indeed doing the opposite. I am showing you what not to do then. Schopenhauer was also a hypocrite you can say, but he was right. (I a...

Leave me alone. Fuck off.