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Yes, it is the causal history that is necessary. I've explained it, but I am sure it looks a bit like word-salad, so I'm going to try to be more delib...

Ok, so I guess I'm going to read up on Anscombe's view on causality..

Cool. The Persians still had to be conquered and made it worth their while to "convert" for this to even be a thing, that's all I'm saying. I'm not su...

I'll back up and explain... It seemed to me you were making an argument that "individuals" is liken to "institutional facts"- what designates this ind...

Not my point. Many people converted to Christianity for similar reasons. That's how these kind of religions work. In Christendom it was usually kings ...

I'm going to need time to digest it.

So how do institutional facts have to do with the idea of causality? Is causality itself now institutional? But I believe you were talking rather of m...

Same with other posters.. This is about causality, but causality leading to an event whereby all possibilities are the start for that individual. The ...

I think these kind of blanket statements come out of taking the opposite side. "You say that Muslims conquered violently! I say they were a delightful...

But I think rather the essence secondary to the necessity of causality. The theory is causal, and this leads to a conclusion of an event (the combinat...

I haven't been keeping track of the thread for a bit. Basically identity through the meeting of those gametes is the outcome of the causal argument. T...

So are you denying causality? Causality doesn't exist without a label??

Appropriate the myths and history from the people it came from, reconfigure it to your own culture's setting (Greco-Roman notions for Christianity and...

Cool, I had too long a conversation with folks with more historical perspective and nuance to entertain this kind of generic, college campus argument.

Don’t forget that Arab countries did try to destroy Israel at one point..a few times actually.

Just curious if it's "parity" would the Israeli government be justified in raping, beheading, and mutilating Palestinians in the exact same numbers in...

Why would you believe that? What about causo-history would be so impotent?

So sure, all that causally does have to be in place, and I am not denying that this causal chain has to be in place. However, the terminus for which t...

Thank you for providing some historical context to this! A lot of little league teams and little old men are going to be very disappointed with this c...

:up: No doubt, you hit one of the core origins of European and general Christian antisemitism. What's ironic is if you peel back the layers of the cle...

Can you define, "What counts"? Surely, prior to humans there are individuals, no? Individual animals, individual items? I think this is ripe for the t...

I think it captures a good shorthand for physically what is relevant to an object- its matter and form. It really hasn't been improved upon much, simp...

This is basically my argument. My only quibble would be here: Because then someone will just mention twins/clones. This is why the causal-historical a...

So an individual is even more complicated than a natural kind. A natural kind can in theory be determined just by a substance (we can even keep Aristo...

So ironically, you are arguing along similar "nominalist" grounds that I am arguing regarding identity and land in the Israel/Palestine thread. That i...

That is interesting to explore, why one identifies with one group versus another. First off, the Jews were fighting the British as much or perhaps mor...

It just means that H2O represents more than just "H2O" perhaps. That it also represents the other things you maintain. But the point is that it become...

Because it was that web of circumstances (conception) that is the point of time when the actualized person that is the you right now could have come t...

So why I say YOU, is I am discussing the person that has actualized all the events leading to the very present. THIS person (the present you, not a co...

Actually, this gives more understanding of the matter than if it was straightforward 1:1. That is to say, it is necessary for it to be water, but not ...

So I think you missed some conversations. I am not really talking about personal identity, though I left it in the title. Rather, I am talking about w...

I'm just completely cynical as to how principled people are, even on the bench. Clarence Thomas had to recuse himself, that is how close this goes to ...

The Supreme Court, having a few justices appointed by Trump, is going to throw it out based on some procedural thing or what not and not even make a r...

You mean THREE HOURS after the protestors started breaking into the Capitol??

What do you even call this, if it is coupled with everything else? If you don't even believe in the fairness of the system you are running in, and thu...

It’s all interpretation but how is a sitting president encouraging protests and then not doing anything about it when they get violent and storm the c...

Also seditious speech has been ruled as non protected speech, besides the 14th amendment clause:

I'm addressing an issue that is closer to home to you, actually. No doubt, the issue is thorny with Palestinians and Israelis living together in mutua...

:up: cool.

:up: Yes correct. I just want to add that the genetics is part of the equation but the causal-historical aspect of that instance also is part of the e...

The second one, but you have simplified it too much as I also explained the causal-historical aspect of it (which accounts for twins, etc.). It also d...

Ah, I see, thanks for clarifying. I am I guess, "making a discovery about how things are", that is, as it relates to persons and the range of possibil...

So all of these ideas seem to be circling around a similar hesitation I had regarding the idea of "conceptual schema" in another thread. What is this,...

One way is insofar as all the possibilities of the continuities of that person are had from the terminus of the conception of that person and no furth...

Yep, I actually think a combination of use and intention would be a good way to describe most man-made items if we were to explore its "essence" in an...

Yeah, it's tricky determining these kind of things and it harkens back to questions that Aristotle grappled with and the like. Identity, existence, es...

So what is your position? We all hate Bibi-ism, so we don't even need to debate that. Do you think Israel has a fundamental right to exist? But beside...

I'll look at the one from SSU. Yeah, I thought the Wright/Friedman interview was actually one where realistic situations and assessments were being di...

I think for the chair, there can be distinctions made that are different than the case of people or natural kinds (like water). I was just making a po...

So, I guess they can give up the fight by sending back the hostages leaving to Qatar or something and have the Israelis let them for now do that. They...