Yes, I worried about this because it is out of some Providence and Reason that the ethical actor does their moral deeds, not out of compassion, which ...
It is nihilistic to not recognize the instrumentality of things and deem it as bad. If everything is radical contingency (I don't necessarily believe ...
This just doesn't ring true to how life works though. We are always going to be annoyed or disappointed at something. As TGW said, it seems more a rhe...
How is life better off with unpleasantness? If you are going to do the "exercise makes us feel better even if it hurts.." routine, just don't. You kno...
Is this about Stoicism? Please explain how it connects. But, to answer your position more directly, why is unpleasant not bad? No one can scrap suffer...
I can take a stab at a criticism of Stoicism. Stoicism seems: a) inaccessible in practice for some b) wrong due to its emphasis on being disconnected ...
I very much agree with your characterization of Stoicism. If you can elaborate on a couple more things: How would you suppose that the pessimist's adm...
Fair enough, and I think you made a good point that not all philosophies are going to resonate with everyone. I guess part of my post was to ask wheth...
I personally don't think any position is sufficient. I guess another position of some pessimists is that nothing will really work, there are only many...
Yes, I've seen it. I made a post a few years ago about the difference between common and philosophical pessimism and Thorongil also had some good post...
Generally speaking, this would be something of the following: 1) Not procreating or creating a new generation that will suffer. 2) Asceticism to deny ...
They do think that life has suffering at the least, and their answer, if I was to boil it down to a slogan is "be indifferent to situations one cannot...
@"Sapientia" said: I don't deny these things; and I'll readily admit that I've personally experienced them at times. I view these things as things to ...
Can you elucidate the differences in the sophomoric complaining of the temperament vs. philosophical pessimism? Also you had some posts a while back o...
The optimist has to contend with the idea that disturbing the "peacefulness of nonexistence" (TOTALLY A METAPHOR PEOPLE! NOT A METAPHYSICAL STANCE- AN...
This is a misconception. Schopenhauer does have suggestions to mitigate suffering (mainly aesthetic contemplation, compassion for fellow-sufferers, an...
I feel quite the opposite. I think pessimism is understanding that the deficits of life cannot be coped with. I don't think many things will get rid o...
I think Thorongil's quote at the beginning describes the dispositions well: Pessimists don't want to have to deal with the flux in the first place. Th...
Thank ye, Benkei! Yours as well! Yes, you might be right about the static ideal as he scorned Will which, practically speaking, is a stand-in for flux...
Yes, it does makes sense. I see your argument. I am not going to do the same old arguments by trying to refute it (not yet anyways), so I am going to ...
This so far is not the compassionate synthesis I was hoping :P . However, to elaborate, I think that there might be two forms of suffering going on he...
I think the quoted remark works either way. If the point of carrying out life is to make meaning through living, as you indicated, or if it the summum...
I am not quite sure what you mean that "utilitarian consequences of a moral judgement are nil." If life's restless nature (always becoming) is (mostly...
Hi Benkei, I hope you are doing well. I think they integrate in the idea of existential angst. While Benatar is more of a classic utilitarian, Schopen...
But that isn't a mission for antinatalism, just a consequence of preventing other's from suffering. What you would have to justify is that a new indiv...
I think that Schopenhauer's description of restlessness is one of his best points. The emptiness one feels and the constant-goal seeking rings very tr...
I don't think Schopenhauer's meta-level analysis of suffering creates suffering. He is just describing it. I don't feel suffering because I read Schop...
I don't mean that philosophical pessimism automatically comes about, I am saying that the idea is a result form dealing with life's problems, not that...
I am not proving it necessarily follows necessarily. I was more reiterating what Thorongil was mentioning in his initial post for why philosophical pe...
The fact that we have to deal with life in the first place leads to philosophical pessimism. The fact that we are dealing with it, is just a given if ...
I don't think this adequately answered my last post which was this: You must explain in non-self-referential language what you mean by "we love God".....
Now, this has gotten more convoluted. You must explain in non-self-referential language what you mean by "we love God".. and "God cannot love us back"...
This sounds a bit odd being that you accused Schopenhauer of anthropocentrism. It looks like here Spinoza is anthropomorphosizing "Nature". Why should...
I will take this into account, thanks. Even if it is not math per se, his use of geometric proof and wanting to have an intellectual love of god indic...
I can accept the totality of contingency, but I think he conveys a truth-like phenomena which is to say that we are never completely contented. He did...
I do not think Schopenhauer meant by restless that we are anxious for a future event, but that each moment in time we are never fully satisfied or sat...
That life is suffering is an argument that we are always deprived. This (I think) was Thorongil's point in one of his posts- the natural lack of somet...
@"Agustino" @"Thorongil" Schopenhauer and Spinoza had more in common than some (even Schopenhauer himself) suspected. Schopenhauer's denial of "will" ...
As stated before, history proper is not just chronicling of events, but interpretation. One can have a bunch of primary sources and secondary sources,...
History is an interpretation of past events, not just the chronicling of events. Therefore, not all things that happen in historical time are "history...
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