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What is the motivation to "do something"? The assumption is....

No they are just willing to state what they see.

I just don't think there really is "make the best of it" in the fashion that stoicism proclaims. I think pessimism has a better handle on the situatio...

Then you better not keep writing about pessimism and go to other topics. I'm fine with it though :). Also, darth, though you are trying to make a larg...

But that is where the pessimist would have hesitation with life's premise. Overcome shit, or live a less than "good" life. Not that I believe that slo...

If it works, fine. I just don't think it really solves anything except not complaining too much. It also seems quite convenient that these so-called "...

I just don't think people will think like that. People will not be happy with the inconvenience or annoyance. And as your statements suggest, much of ...

The point of the thread is whether stoicism is effective in doing so and many people claimed that it does. I have problems with the idea of "nurturing...

My problem with stoicism I guess, isn't necessarily whether it helps people (whether by delusion, habituation, or otherwise), but that pain is elusive...

That's what I said.. which is pretty much what you said here. I also said The point of the thread is: does stoicism solve the problems that pessimism ...

Yeah, I kind of use that interchangeably with "thing-in-itself" sometimes. I'll use that term instead to more accurately reflect his terminology.

But you didn't answer the main question. Why post it if it only pertains to three people? I'm one of them so yeah I do feel this is more directly aime...

Just curious if this is trolling for a flame war. Clearly there are only about three or so people on here that care about this. I am willing to take t...

Also, why even care about this post if you don't like pessimism? Do you want to be the resident anti-pessimist? If pessimism is absurd and insignifica...

Using examples of the "working class", "third world", and "hunter-gatherers", as some sort of ideal model of the un-existential man, simply "living hi...

Schop would say that if we look at our own internal drive, Will is manifest in this. His next step is to apply it to the noumena. All that is in the p...

Also, your example points out just how contingent some pain is. In terms of relationships, some people are asexual, thus eliminating the problem of ro...

Not too many situations this easy. That is not making the other trouble go away. It is just a more immediate and debilitating pain. Just because one i...

I knew you were going to respond that way. Then you must have a lot of assumptions what "adults" might be. Very platonic- do you advocate such ideals?...

This seems to work on problems that perhaps little children have (losing a game, not getting a toy). It would be inappropriate in almost all adult cir...

A lot of time that is not how it works.. "Hey buddy, pull yourself up by the bootstrap and don't think about it..move on.. stop your complaining!" Rid...

If personal disposition, mental illness, environment, and other contingent factors have something to do with how people are able to cope with psycholo...

In a sense, purpose is built into the pessimistic metaphysical ground model. We are striving beings- a manifestation of a monistic Will. Though it is ...

It is simply aesthetics. You don't have to think about metaphysics, but you are on a philosophy forum.

Why do you think that is so?

Also, I contend that you need emotions to motivate to do anything, and this is roughly equivalent to a "striving" force. Stoicism might try to deal wi...

Fundamentally, Schopenhauer would disagree with this because, by necessity, if Will is ever-present and really is the noumenal flip side to phenomenal...

Fine.. Do I have to explain everything :-} ? I mean by this, aesthetically, which one seems worse, or for lack of a better word dreary to your sensibi...

Fair enough. There is no other option except suicide, and Schop doesn't like suicide as he thinks it is still someone's will, willing, the end of thei...

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Sure..but I won't be condescending about it: Schopenhauer had the concept of Will. Will is a sort of metaphysical grounding. By that I mean that if we...

Boredom is unpleasant. I don't see that as sophistry. Humans perceive existential emptiness and need tasks to occupy their time so as not to dwell on ...

Please, don't be condescending or anything... You probably have to read his whole text, but he doesn't like the suffering involved in NOT being in a p...

Hi Thorongil, I actually started a new thread on this particular subject as I thought it was a bit different than the general Pessimism vs. Stoicism i...

I do. He is saying there is suffering in the goals/desires and there is suffering when we get our goals/desires.

No, Schopenhauer is not saying we should embrace suffering, or that this is good, just that it exists. That we have two bad choices, suffer here, or s...

As Schopenhauer said:

Interesting thoughts, thank you. Can you explain what you mean by relative grounding? I'm guessing it is the opposite of something like an objective/a...

Which is more pessimistic: a metaphysical force that is ultimately pessimistic in its nature (a striving Will that goes nowhere), or a metaphysical ni...

Fair enough, but I just thought it was odd that you put up so many threads on pessimism, even recently. Being that I usually back up Philosophical Pes...

I couldn't get a chance to be on here for a while, but I get the gist of most of your comments. Mainly that I can't tell anyone how to feel and why gi...

The problem is that we have to "deal" with the problems in the first place. The fact that we need Stoicism in the first place tells us something. The ...

If one can sustain the delusion long enough and enough times, perhaps. Just don't fall in the crack and see the instrumentality for what it is, don't ...

I agree about the storm. I also think there is a lack of understanding about motivation. Motivations cause one to act a particular way. Most things in...

I was being sarcastic and it didn't convey well. What I was saying was that you can ignore the big picture by hyper-focusing your attention on a detai...

Not to use @"The Great Whatever"'s response all the time, but he had a good one. It's possible for bad things to happen regardless of your response. I...

Interesting being that one of the main aspects of culture is religion which has a large existential component to it. Not that I am a huge fan of relig...

Also, and perhaps most importantly, the fact that we are given suffering as a given in the first place is something to rebel against. That you overcam...

darthy, I believe it was posts like these that threw me off about your position: I get that you have probably changed your position, and have every ri...

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