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I have my own definition that I've used on this forum for that concept. We suffer from many things, including people, environment, circumstances, our ...

Instrumentality.

And what then?

I'm not sure you are making a valid point based on what I said. A God that has a purpose and design we can never know is a relatively moot one. As I s...

Yes, a typical answer provided by the major religions. It cannot even be knowable except through past prophetic figures who actually talked with the b...

If the futility of putting more people into the world who must survive, make and pursue goals, and deal with contingent harms is not readily apparent,...

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Well, my point was that the outcome of antinatalism is not going to be realized anytime soon, but the questioning process itself can spark people to a...

So this is of course subjected to the same absurd conclusions- why does this whole training have to occur in the first place? If it is because God wil...

It's the needed part I'm perplexed at. I asked why we need to exist to redeem the universe, and we do not need an answer to that seems to be like me s...

I'm not sure what that means, or you are indicating that you aren't sure either.

Why we need to exist to perfect the universe he does not say. The exact question begging I bring up in other threads. There is no need for redemption ...

The actual outcome of antinatalism really has no great significance. It is rather the symbolic implication of what procreation stands for. Procreation...

I'm not sure man. What I do know is that there are people who either happen to have a pretty lucky life and they see themselves as having their needs ...

I'm trying to get a clear understanding of your views and I'm having a hard time piecing it together. It sounds like you are resenting the fact that y...

Yes, this is similar to Schopenhauer's idea of Will. We are desiring beings. Why do we desire to procreate more people so they can simply desire, I do...

I think Schop kind of sees it both ways. Will is unconsciously moving us forward (genetics, survival instincts), and Will also consciously moves us fo...

But my point is the vanity of existence itself becomes apparent even if everyone was "redeemed" (in whatever context that means). So for the secular h...

Yes, I agree with this assessment- to redeem to redeem to redeem does not make sense. Redeem for what? The purpose is obliterated once it is taken to ...

Sorry, I must have sent that without finishing. Those were good quotes. The one about following a story about our relation to the world seemed most re...

Yes, thanks for sharing as well. So I ask you, what is it about existence for?

As far as I see, there is the life lived without much stepping back and then the life that is reflected upon as a whole. If we step back an examine it...

Thresholds for boredom may get higher, but this does not mean boredom does not go away. As time progresses, given nothing to do for extended periods o...

Proof with academic journals? Probably not. But this is to already have a position where anything but scientific evidence does not count for "proof". ...

Ok, I'll accept that it's not an emotion. I was trying to communicate the phenomena, and if you want me to just call it something like an experience o...

From http://www.livescience.com/23493-why-we-get-bored.html The researchers, led by psychological scientist John Eastwood of York University in Ontari...

As far as boredom being baseline, that is controversial. As far as boredom being a psychological state, I wasn't aware that was controversial. Do you ...

But then it could still be a choice and not a necessity to exchange goods. But to wish the world had more scarcity just so you can get the pleasure of...

If you are self-employed and love what you do, could you do it without being paid for it? By work here, I mean getting a wage for labor. If that was t...

What is it saying about the human condition if we must choose between two non-ideal states? To be "managed", told what to do, stressed out, and/or bor...

You bring up something interesting in a post-work society. I'm going to bring that up as a topic.

Unstressed quiet, done long enough, leads to boredom.

Take away enough distractions, boredom will be there no doubt. There's only so much self-talk one can handle before one gets tired of oneself.

The work that goes into living- once a life is started, it is perpetual unto death. This is a simple truth, but the implication is one which I've quot...

I'd like to make a couple points to this. 1) At the least, "negative" stress, or distress, is not necessarily controllable. It can be managed under ce...

I say it like that not to reify stress as some tangible "thing" but to mark it out as a necessary component of being an organism. Organisms must endur...

Okay, but I'm not arguing that you cannot feel this way or that (nor can I), I'm just arguing both a) that it is not some sort of binding mission on e...

Yeah, I completely disagree. All stress is harmful, and true people can be naturally/socially inclined to become more stressed than others. I do not s...

Your presumption here is that, even for adults, if they are not able to get even these subtleties, simple pleasures, and wider range of interests, the...

To take this a step further, being born is essentially being exposed to stress. One has to "deal" with things great and small, preferred and not prefe...

Well, here is where we are going to disagree as to the characterization of stress, which, if my OP has it right, is one of the two major defaults (bor...

How about the stress of being exposed to the harm in the first place? If looked at more closely, is even the self-imposed stress of games/sports/enter...

I said this in a previous thread and it would apply here: As far as life is expressed by the work we do.. I don't know, that's a pretty romantic visio...

I don't think so. I think by being brought into existence you are exposed to many harms and stress. We MUST put forth energy. There is no default slee...

This is correct, nothing does resolve the situation. You are stuck here until you're not. You will run into harm, you will create your own harm, you w...

I disagree. We were born into existence, and it does contain harms and it contains a structure which we did not create. We all cope, that's just a tru...

Why, this is the way we seem to be structured based on our constant willing nature.. we have survival needs and we have entertainment needs/wants to k...

If you do not want to read all those thread, I'll copy and paste the first paragraph about instrumentality: Here is the idea of instrumentality- the a...

I basically go over what you are trying to get at in these threads. You may want to check them out and if you want to discuss any of the points, espec...

I didn't mean it's wrong because it is in vogue.. If Schopenhauer was in vogue, he wouldn't be wrong.. People would just be more right :D. But what I ...