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No I don't mean that it is "conceited" like, self-absorbed but rather it is a conceit meaning more of a lie. It is not true.

Yes Sisyphus indeed. Clearly we must exist for scientific exploration and technological innovation.

The quote that you are referring to asked if we have to live up to an ideal state where we know such and such about ideal states. Just because I am po...

But the assumption is that we are here to perform accomplishments in the first place. That is the conceit, is it not? More humans need to be here beca...

But I never claimed this was an ideal state either (that of knowing that it's not a metaphysical fact that we have to live up to some ideal state).

Would structural be more appropriate you think? I am trying to get at the fact that it is pervasive and all-encompassing. In other words, it is baked ...

Well, sometimes it can be useful. Why are Neo-Kantians called Neo-Kantians? Labels can be useful, though by no means exhaustive. Existentialists- well...

This is a bit unclear, do you want to expand?

Good enough. I guess my philosophy can be called Neo-Schopenhauerean in a way. The repetitious and systemic futility of life (what I call structural s...

Yes but what does really recognizing it entail? What are conclusions from this about how humans should live or actions to be taken? We should understa...

Interesting ideas, but can you explain what you mean by conditional here, and why this is important to the existence of torture? It looks like you are...

Agreed. I was trying to argue against the overreach of natural selection/instinct on all human behavior for example in a couple threads.

Hi Pangloss, I have not read Israel's book, but have been eyeing it on my reading list for a while. I just have to say, your analysis here is excellen...

By pedestal I mean that it is a justification for all else. It too suffers from all experiences hoped for. Often times experiences that aren't novel e...

I purposely put that in there hoping someone would try to put flow states on a pedestal. Flow states don't make up for the lack of existence. Flow sta...

I believe so.. WE are the only existential creatures.. Perhaps aliens on other planets too:)?

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Yep, I understand you need variety in order for there to be traits that promote survival and reproduction in populations. I wasn't challenging that. M...

Right..instrumental existence moves forward..survival, maintain living environment and self, flee boredom with goal-driven (hoping for flow states)......

The instrumental nature of existence is an evil. You are here to survive and achieve goals. This in itself is no bueno. The endless cycle of repetitio...

Why’s that? Emotion regulates our goals and hopes and decisions. You can’t avoid it. I don’t see no transhumanism saving the day.

So we have no telos- final ends we are working towards except survival and entertaining ourselves. I call this concept "Instrumentality". It is the id...

In what way wouldn't it affect us?

Here is a quote I had from the other thread but it pertains to this as well: Here's a question, would you even want to live in an apocalyptic dystopia...

Yes, ever notice it is rare to get EXACTLY the weather you want? Well, maybe California.. but then it will be something else.

:grin: I mistakenly pasted that twice.. maybe I was really trying to emphasize it :lol:

First, why not just let Roke speak? By continuing this, you are continuing the kind of postings that don't add anything to the conversation, just "You...

You are right. I don't get what you mean by "performing your own philosophy". Do you mean you are trying to philosophize? And if so, why not start som...

I don't think so. You seem to single it out unduly as well, as the only time I ever see your little icon there is when this position arises. You can s...

The point is, you are singling out antinatalism unduly. Antinatalism doesn't think your particular life is worthless T Clark. That is a distortion. Ra...

As is all ethics, quit singling out antinatalism as if it is the only ethics which applies to you as well and is controversial.. Shall I list all the ...

I think you are right in correcting T Clark's notion that it's just some presumptuous opinion and stating that it is more of an ethical position, and ...

Here's a question, would you even want to live in an apocalyptic dystopian world where there is armed struggle between the citizenry and government in...

Hello, I am one of those resident antinatalist BC was talking about. Welcome to the forum. I'm not sure how much "press" the concept would get if put ...

Yes, boredom is a way of discovering the inherent lack behind the facade of there having somewhere to be, something to do, etc. I wrote this a while b...

So they will undercut their own sales? Fat chance. There are toilets more regulated than this.

This may fit better with the conversation already taking place here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/2886/instinct-vs-cultural-learning-in-h...

This was meant as metaphorical bookends to the extremes. It encompasses all viewpoints from one extreme to the other, not presenting a stark dichotomy...

Yeah that's what I meant by linguistic-conceptual as that is the preconditions for which humans usually experience the world and integrate his/her per...

Funny how we are admire things that we are not- what looks like simpler ways of life. Lives comprised mainly of instinct or just growth in the case of...

Hey, in a way I agree with you. To have a bird's life.

I mean this sounds like some modern Natural Law Aquinas theory. Natural justification? You are putting the cart before the horse. Humans can have a ra...

I guess I cannot show you the mind of other animals, but based on their behavior and the fact that they lack linguistic ability- I can feel confident ...

Yes, a major point- humans can do this and are the only Earthly animals to do this. Can you clarify what you are trying to say? I see you have some fi...

Can you elaborate on this? Also, I don't necessarily agree with a pure neo-Darwinian view of evolution. There are often exaptations that are not selec...

That brings up a point about personality. What is personality? How is it constructed? How much of it is genes versus environment? How does having such...

Good point. The result of having less built-in mechanisms for the baby to survive is that it has more time to enculturate cultural ways of survival vi...

Can't it be argued that hierarchy formation is either cultural or circumstantial and not so much instinct? For example, if you are in a wilderness sur...

Yeah but you knew certain responses like "danger" because you know what a gun can do. That is a cultural response. You've learned through media, stori...