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Was this response for me or BC?

Yes, I agree that language is an instinct for humans. We can start learning it within the first two years. But as I said to another poster, "Human beh...

What is the narrative for how instincts (fixed behaviors) diminished in favor of largely cultural learning. This must have been a challenging transfor...

Even if there is no free will, humans still have many options and preferences we can select from. I'm talking from the parents/community perspective. ...

Yeah, but would you call that instinct? I think it is more reflexes and automatic behaviors. Instinct to me is a bit more complex fixed behavior, but ...

But I already recognized there are some basic drives that are indeed baked into the equations. Autonomic nervous systems like heartbeat and breathing,...

I would think this is the opposite of instinct. This is learned behavior, and not the kind where we just can't "help" but learn, but ones where the cu...

The attainment of a goal or desire, Schopenhauer continues, results in satisfaction, whereas the frustration of such attainment results in suffering. ...

BC has a good question. Essentially, what is this utopia? Is it political harmony, personal harmony? Just like the Platonic forms, what is this perfec...

Yet some of what may be considered sexually appealing, may vary based on time period and culture. Ok, so extinction probably. What I mean to say about...

Correct in terms of being well-debated. The version you give is one version, but as you know there are multiple versions for the origins of the suppre...

I'm not a primatologist, so won't pretend to know all these instincts but a major one I can think of is chimps have estrus and cyclical reproduction. ...

@"apokrisis" Hormones influencing behavior, I don't buy as instinct. Instinct, is more of an "if/then" innate behavioral programming. A bird cannot he...

Just proof that you have proof. The decoupling of instinct from general processing is not an easy story. I'd like to see this.

Oh yeah.. please go on.. please explain how concepts are innate.

But how is saying "interest in stories of love, hurt, power and status? Stories that really engage their emotions?" not stepping more than a smidge in...

Not sure if you saw the last question.

But do these preferences come innate or only after being enculturated in a social setting?

But what you and Pseudonym have both avoided now, is what the innate part "looks like". What does the instinct to watch a movie look like, for example...

So, I think you are creating a strawman here of the internal/external thing. It is a preference/pressure we internalize from social means. What you ca...

I don't know, looked pretty much like you unwittingly agree, but I'll address the rest of your response below. I can agree with you on the social cons...

I brought in apokrisis because sometimes when there is an argument with the same two people, another perspective is good. Though I've had many disagre...

This is frustrating but I will stay with it. The birds' innate behavior is nothing like how we use language but is nevertheless the way their behavior...

Right, but the desire for a holiday in Algrave is not innate. It is exactly something that would only be known through cultural mediation and a lingui...

I was trying to get at that by asking: What does a desire for any X thing look like prior to language? You still have not answered this question fully...

I'm not sure why you think it's untrue. I am trying to understand where you think that humans have an "innate" desire to raise children by asking

We don't have to be going around in circles if you understood the difference between instinct (i.e. innate behaviors) vs. culture (i.e. socially learn...

I explained it here: Again, how do concepts like "child" or "taking care of" occur before pre-linguistically? What does a desire for any X thing look ...

Yes, it is an instinct for the elephant parent. For the human it is cultural to raise a child. Again, for the human (which is redundant as other anima...

How do you know it is not all shoveling sand with a pitchfork? Does the hope of some achievement, the supposed "insight" from some educational materia...

I just meant that all that needs to take place for procreation is for a functional process to be in place. Competition can be part of that process if ...

Thank you for toning it down a bit! I don’t see how this necessarily must be the case in humans. All that needs to take place for procreation is any f...

Yep, you are not explaining clearly enough I guess. You don't need the whole dramatics of the "despite two attempts".. just say what you are going to ...

From Google search of "instinct" Instinct: an innate, typically fixed pattern of behavior in animals in response to certain stimuli. So, I don't know ...

Ok, so we agree that it is better never to have been but not that it is a possibility to not have children for some people. This is nonsense. First of...

Odd you use the quote from Schopenhauer, who though not explicitly an antinatalist, said "“If children were brought into the world by an act of pure r...

My perpetual question is why do we make new people experience life. I have not heard great answers thus far and each presupposes an unnecessary teleol...

Indeed, you hit upon a major difference in modern and post-modern outlooks. Modernists may have left an over-arching theme of religion behind, but the...

Can you prove this? I can see what you mean in a "possible worlds" scenario but that is not quite the same as a soul migrating to different bodies. It...

Thank you, succinct summary of the vagueness of apokrisis/Pattee's references to the almighty "epistemic cut". Apokrisis has to actually address this ...

Deep sleep is close to nothing as far as perception in the living human.

Actually now that I look at it, we probably agree on this. I don't think that a private language exists. I do think that people have mental experience...

Hmm, I think then that you may not be making the distinction between the origins of the qualia and the phenomenon of qualia itself. The origins may be...

How do you define private mental furnishings? Are you talking about the origins of the mental furnishings which is a combination of self and interacti...

I'm going to reply here with a reply I had to Bitter Crank in another thread: People read into their happy emotions too easily. Sex happens at a time ...

Do you think it is short sighted to think that the good moods mean that life must be good? Can evaluation be separated from mood? If not, why not? Why...

But there doesn't have to be waves in the first place. Why should we experience the waves?

Day in day out...Granted, better with a significant other, but still the same instrumental existence. You had it more accurate with moving of furnitur...

I'm not saying your trolling- just "troll-like" behavior.. Something to rile for the sake of riling. Honestly, I'm just remembering a thread where we ...

Hey, futility is my theme, so why not.