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What is the limit of a representation? If a clock is a representation of time passing, is the conscious observer a representation of some symbolic mod...

But in his case, as is the the case with many medieval philosophers and modern theologians, reason will always lead to theologically compliant conclus...

Yes, Schopenhauer's World as Will and Representation Books 2 and 4 would be very much about the suffering as a structural/universal property of the hu...

No, not the basis for them. What is the final result besides being self-referential as symbolic modelling or information? Usually it has to do with cr...

Its usually short and fleeting...and on to the next goal. The needs are insatiable and hard to satisfy for the complex human animal compared to the ti...

Indeed, it is quite addictive. It is akin to Buddhist beliefs of suffering if you want a reference more well-known. As someone pointed out in another ...

Sharing of valence electrons, attraction based on forces, sharing of chemical molecules, etc. And here is where the crux of our issue lies. Whence are...

If you looked at my previous thread, I had a similar sentiment though presented differently. It was about motivation. We must trick ourselves in a way...

I don't get what you are getting at. We tell ourselves stories about life? Not really. Life presents itself in a pretty straightforward fashion as far...

You bring it a good point that even things are going well, life seems to make sense.

That was simply self-referential. You didn’t say anything.

Schop's story was pretty nuanced. You can downplay for rhetorical points, or you can get in the complex muck.

What is the criteria for "better"? What is the insight people are supposed to get over time? Something to do with balance and acceptance? You didn't a...

It is this cognitive dissonance that I am suspicious of. Is it a mood or an evaluation on life? Why is that evaluation bad or wrong? Perhaps it is acc...

Physically interacting in a way that they work together in a system. What is it like to be that integrated systen?

Integrated interactions of a series of events. Say for example, chemical bonds are integrated interaction events.

But that's the point.. calling it depression, and then making it something that has to be dealt with. How about depressive realism? Perhaps it is seei...

My point was suicide is more than the act of suicide- it is about the ideation. It is about living despite not liking its premises. That is prolonged ...

I believe you are trying to say what I am saying. See above.

All these words/phrases bolded, can you please provide a definition of each and how they relate to a) the environment and b) the neural/biological sub...

Sure, there is me observing the computer and its results and there is the computer computing. What it like to be "computing"? That is a very basic ide...

"What" is being emerged from the process? I just want you to see the slipperiness of this concept.

I'll be honest.. I am not up to speed on Heiddegarian terminology, but this may add a bit?

What gives sentience to one process and not the other. You know what I meant.

Yep, that's obvious. Anything to add?

That’s a good summation of a core Buddhist belief. Here’s a question. Granted I don’t really believe it in terms of illusion, but I’m just trying to k...

I don’t know. That can be part of this inquiry. It’s used a lot in philosophy. Here are some starting points: Process philosophy argues that the langu...

You must keep playing it. The funny part is that we are not determined on our goals and actions yet each and every time we do anything, we must play t...

I'm suspicious of a philosophy that reports to follow "nature" through "reason". There's a lot of "well, of course, "reason" (aka the philosopher's pr...

I don't get what you're getting at really. What destinies to fill?

So what does exploring that realm mean? No, the straw man was saying that the tribe automatically is some collective hive-mind or some such. Rather, I...

So they don't believe in universals? Also, if people have slightly different appearances and experiences, does that mean there are as many realities a...

Interesting points. The implication is that motivation is not really given, it is more-or-less self-conjured..perhaps with help from social conditioni...

But what are your assumptions here about facing the void and the like?

That's the deception- that anything is other than what we put weight on in our goals. That is simply cultural conditioning. We still choose in a way t...

This is a strawman. There can be several reasons for how these tribes operate. One can be that it has taken years of structures to think more like a g...

I mean c'mon apokrisis. Yes, I am well aware that we may have choices, but those choices are structured within our social setting. But again, WHO is m...

My guess is once we have our basic needs worked out, our minds need to fill the void of something to do.

It's the implication, not the origin that I care about. The implication is that we arouse in ourselves a state of WANTING to follow a goal. We CONJURE...

So when a person makes a decision and choose to do something, what do you call that? That is society making the decision?

I'd like to think it's more nuanced phenomenologically. Rather, the substrate of all motivations are boredom and survival (mediated through cultural l...

Yes as I said in the OP: Beyond the aversion to discomforts like hunger, heat/cold, and no shelter, we are in a constant state of having to believe th...

I contend that we do choose mattering. We choose to care. I will say that the baseline factors on our choices are the pendulum swing of de facto condi...

So when we make decisions, we are making it on a species level? I don't compute. Sure, the goals are linguistic, thus derived socially via linguistic ...

Again, the motivation is not given, it is created. It need not be a long-term goal. It can be very mundane goals.

Is it? It may be culturally-derived. The role of father, and caring about a particular preference, but ultimately it is a choice. There is no if/then ...

I think you are playing with terms here. If we delineate the term goal properly, this issue goes away. A goal, in the way I'm using it, is one where i...

I'll give you that. I just feel in the mood for chocolate ice cream, for example. I'm proposing that we let things that are pleasing to us drive our m...

The deception is believing the goals are anything but self-imposed. Sure, sometimes we are hyper aware of our own choice to be motivated in the first ...

But look at what we can do. We can even have ideations of suicide. We can look at life and say, "I do not have to do anything. I can sit here and star...