There are people who argue that by not having children, are depriving people of pleasure, and they think that is a bad thing. I agree it is a misconce...
But that is his point. No one cares about non-existent pleasures. That is significant if people argue that we are "depriving" something of pleasure. C...
That's the point he was trying to make. You really don't know how to agree with someone. :roll: . Ok, a lot of people are unhappy about things that th...
:up: . "Ideas" seem to be conceptual. Concepts are a tricky, slippery thing, but it requires parsing out information that only language provides. Huma...
So, one useful thing Benatar does is he distinguishes between starting a life and continuing a life. He thinks that the threshold of causing suffering...
It is not necessary for a being to be born to experience adversity, to get some positive reward from it. Rather, I believe that even if there is some ...
That kind of rebuttal doesn't phase the argument, and I usually cringe a little when someone uses it. Unlike unicorns and actually things that cannot ...
That's one of the reasons I'm an antinatalist though. Why put someone through the struggle (even for some sort of enlightenment) if they didn't have t...
I tend to agree with your Schopenhaurean stance about boredom. I always liked his metaphor of a pendulum swinging from the striving after a goal on on...
Most gods are created in the image of man, and then retroactively reversed. They say more about human desires than anything else- projected onto an en...
Not really. A unicorn can never exist in the future. A potential person is a placeholder for someone that can exist in the future. I have the componen...
C'mon we've been through this. Unicorns can never exist. A potential person can. We make political, ethical, and daily decisions all the time based on...
That's on them. I liken it to being deprived of the good of making someone go through an obstacle course that they didn't ask for because it's fun to ...
Well, I did say that I agreed that there can never be "objective" deciphering of the axiology of a particular line of ethical reasoning. You can simpl...
No ethical theory will have a smoking gun, knockdown, slamdunk argument. Rather, I can try to present the case that creating life for another person i...
I don't believe putting an obstacle course on behalf of another person in the name of "no pain, no gain" is ethical. Creating people for the sake of "...
So have you decided to join the respectful? I'm ready to engage when you're ready to be more charitable poster. You can keep (believing you are) seeki...
This I figured out. And the meek shall inherit the Earth. So what if he's so-called "weak"? What does this advance? He is making a case- don't procrea...
Oh please... this pull yourself up by the bootstraps is just as cliche too.. You mine as well be doing a parody of the drill instructor from Full Meta...
Hey, usually people with these problems rarely or never recognize it in themselves. Can't do much with it. Therapy I can recommend to exorcise the dem...
Life is already suffering enough to deal with people like you. Either figure out how not to be an aggravating, irksome, disagreeable poster, or don't ...
Your prickish tendancies yet again steer you astray..missing the forest for the trees in your critiques.. Is it just some sort of condition of ahole t...
Ah. Very good. Well, that is one person or one author.. and there are thousands of others. But for it to become ubiquitous, for it to be a motivator (...
How is it you are equating that with the vanities I was discussing :D? I'm more interested in how someone perseveres through a workday where they do m...
Sort of. But it's not just that it won't happen, but we will become weary to the point of disquietude. The software engineer who takes kids out to see...
Ok, I see, this is looking through the Schopenhauer lens. Yes, if looking through the Schopenhauer lens, we are just manifestations of will and thus a...
Ok, then would you say there is a difference between this "understanding" I have that is constantly arriving at the same place, and the usual economic...
I guess it's more the idea that the faster we develop various avenues, the faster we get weary of it.. I may be interpreting him wrong, but I think hi...
Well, that is a very Schopenhaurean suggestion, but probably not a life I could live in a dedicated way to. I'm more interested in the "great outdoors...
Again, I have no problem with disagreement. It's the way you do it. Have you ever dealt with someone who has a personality disorder? There's a way to ...
This is true. It takes a tremendous amount of altruism and caringness for people to not procreate for the considerations of not making a new person su...
But what does this urge "feel" like? What does it spring from? I agree that thinking of life holistically, and questioning whether to put people in it...
Interesting.. I read a little of some passages from Gravity's Rainbow in a Google search.. Interesting. What I saw, the Herero were choosing not to pr...
True, it can be hard to change one's personality, online or otherwise. I don't know. The art of disagreeing without being disagreeable or contentious ...
This was meant to be about bringing people together in the understanding that we can solve the problem of suffering. It becomes communal and therapeut...
Again, I'm not engaging further, unless you agree to not be disagreeable, and engage with good intentions rather than simply contention mode. Otherwis...
It isn't just about defending my argument. there has to be something that actually comes out of it. If you want to help me make my argument stronger, ...
Excuse my language, but give me a fuckn break. I've done the work thousands of times over on this forum and the previous one. Don't lecture me on not ...
First, I must decide whether this argument is worth it..Whether both of us really get something out of this. Sometimes, I am not sure if I am dealing ...
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