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I tend to agree with you here. I think people pick up slogans and don't reflect on the assumptions behind them.

Ha, there are tons of people that have that knee-jerk response to a complaint someone else has. But my point is we are ALWAYS doing something, dealing...

Interesting egoistic perspective. The point is, we live in a world where we are constantly having to "do something about it". There is no way out of i...

Ok, first this is a tangential argument. This is typical from you though and your poor argument-style habits. You are going down a rabbit-hole rather ...

The minute you wake up you are dealing with. If it seems too simple to you, it is because it is never reflected upon or looked at from a birds eyeview...

So this isn't about how to deal with something but THAT we deal with anything/all things at all in the first place. We are always in a state of "deali...

Three things. 1) Pessimists do NOT have that much influence. Quite the opposite, there are more positive self-help, articles, and advice columns than ...

I also think the quote about "not worth the bother" is revealing. I think Cioran was saying that by killing yourself that means you took it seriously ...

Yes I get that- but that is kind of the surfacey way of thinking about it. Yes, we all know that "do something about it" is a colloquialism for, "chan...

Ok, I like those questions. I think you bring up a really good point about not being able to get the benefit of the "relief" of the suicide. The very ...

"Us" I like it..brings images of people standing in a circle with angry faces and torches. Village of the "annoyed". Anyways, you kind of didn't see t...

Question, why do you think suicide is a philosophical question? I ask for two reasons. 1) I think it is a philosophical question, put in the proper co...

Although I've had some issues with your debate style in the past (mainly unnecessary rhetorical taunting/antagonizing), I have to confirm that this is...

The broad cultural and internal themes that influence how humans prioritize their goals fascinates me.

No problem. Thanks for the shout out :grin: .

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My guess is he is going to say that natural phenomena have a "final causation" which is different kind of thing than a human goal. So, each natural ph...

So, again, I think you're making a naturalistic fallacy here. Just because we have capacities to reproduce, why should we? That huge loose end hasn't ...

You already stated what I was going to. Incidentally, did you see my post about the growth-through-adversity and undue suffering idea?

@"khaled" I have this idea that this world can be characterized as "growth-through-adversity coupled with undue harm". Growth-through-adversity is def...

But what do you use to justify what it is you decide to prioritize?

But that is not even the debate when starting a life. The debate is, if you start the life then indeed you have foisted some version of what is good f...

Okay, are you applying that to the principle of starting a life (antinatalism debate) or someone who is already born (not antinatalism debate)? If it ...

I'll gladly move on from that particular line of reasoning. It makes no sense to believe that one's own interpretation of suffering should dictate ano...

I'm fine with a thread going in various directions. I don't necessarily have anything against that. What I do have something against is what khaled wa...

What broader thing are you talking about? This debate has always been in the context of antinatalism. It's even the name of the thread. That is the su...

You said: and I am not foisting anything on the parent. Foisting is forcing someone to do something. I am not forcing anything, just presenting my arg...

Go ahead, tell me what I'm missing and I'll tell you how I'm exactly countering your point. You said that it is about consideration of what is for the...

:rofl: Either he is being completely ironic or has no self-reflective abilities of how he comes across.

Great observation!! :up:

You hit the nail on the head! I told you he argues like a troll and not with any sense of integrity or sincerity. Much of what he does is to try to di...

So this is Benatar's asymmetry that he pointed out. It's not about allowing consideration, but rather the absence of good vs. the absence of bad for p...

Then there's your category error as you are dragging in two different situations- one where you are starting a life and one where a life is already-ex...

No bro, khaled and I have explained this to you before, simple reasoning. If I don't have a child no one except the parent's own agenda is affected. T...

Look closely, it does. But if I must explain it, no actual person is being foisted upon by not having them. That is not true if they are born.

So, I don't think you are seeing the logic of the asymmetry. Before someone is born, there is no actual person to be deprived of good. That is a fact....

I already presented the fork in the road, the impasse. I will keep answering in the same way as it is exactly my response to this question

Because it's not my job to judge that for someone else whose entire life regards the decision at hand and whose views, conditions, and contingent life...

We went over this :roll: and I pretty much answered you here https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/314833

No not at all. You can decide whatever you want or compelled to do for yourself, not for or to others.

Again who are you or anyone to decide what that is for anyone else. Smug assuredness isn't much of a justification.

But in game theory, there is such thing as maximin decisions. The maximin decision would be the one that accounts for the worst case scenario (similar...

It would best not to conceive in the first place but sure.

Right, I meant physical birth.

You can take that as pre-birth or pre-conception. I don't want to debate abortion. That just goes down another rabbit hole. As a preview though, Benat...

The point is we are all screwed and human in our vanity doing things out of mainly boredom, discomfort, and survival, mediated through the medium of o...

I guess we can do the Sun Dance:

There are several things I agree and disagree with here. First, I agree that the economic-system you describe is depersonalizing. I use this computer ...

Yes I agree with this in a way. I think our wills manifest in boredom, discomfort, and survival pursuits. This I'm not sure of at a daily level. Each ...

When you wake up in the morning, what structures and prioritizes your day? I'm obviously getting somewhere with this... Keep in mind the underlying cu...