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TheMadFool, I believe we went over the reason for this difference, based on the thought experiment of the Martians. This is all based on intuitions re...

I would imagine that just as the consciousness of a fruit fly is different than a human, perhaps the experience of a cell is different than that of a ...

I am reading Terrence Deacon's Incomplete Nature who commits to this kind of theory now, actually. I am not very far in it though. However, as I said ...

I don't think so. Emergentism I see in various forms that are not panpsychism.. Really it's one or the other. It's more binary than what you are imply...

I can't really say whether you are committed to emergentism, but it does seem like the logical foil to pansychism, which is as you say "turtles all th...

Exactly.. notice the wrong word there didn't change the semantics of what I'm trying to say :p. Well, again, how do you get past the homunculus argume...

I think for panpsychists, experience is different than consciousness. My question to you is how you get passed the homunuculus argument in regards to ...

So Pinprick.. in the case of procreation, you have a chance to prevent all suffering. The Benatar Asymmetry is saying that suffering seems to have mor...

Maybe. The exquisite most beautiful landscape might be so beautiful I would want someone else to see. However, this seems less impactful than let's sa...

Yes again, that is the difference here between absolute and instrumental, thus causing the asymmetry. Not experiencing pain is always good, even if th...

Yeah so this just goes to premises. I don't think it is fair to future people by using them to maintain civilization in general. At the procreational ...

No that's not what's wrong with the argument. It's not like he overlooked that. It's a feature of his argument. He explains in his book that not suffe...

Right.. I was pointing out to @"Isaac" the circular reasoning explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus_argument Also this is a short d...

I wouldn't state it that they are the "beneficiaries". There is no they. It is just "good" that no new person is suffering (presumably when there coul...

An extreme example of this kind of logic is- a sociopath gets pleasure from killing and is quite depressed when not doing so. Should he relieve his ow...

Again, you're missing the argument. It is in respect to the absence of a person (who could exist, let's say). In the absence of a person, suffering do...

But you only restated the Ponzi scheme and then said, "that's life"! Well yes, he thinks that if one generation is using the other, then we should sto...

One of Benatar's thought experiments is this : There are no aliens having children on Mars to experience the joys of life. Does that make you sad, emp...

Yes, that is the main argument many people ignore or don't fully get.

So this whole thing relies on a false notion of what Benatar holds. The logic is wrong because there's a missing premise around 1 and 2 there. The pre...

I have..you are constantly discussing physical behaviors hoping this is eqivalent to "green" but you havent actually told me how this is green rather ...

There are a couple things off here: 1) The homunculus problem (a type of circular reasoning in philosophy of mind). In other word, there is "somewhere...

So JacobPhilosophy, have you heard of antinatalism? Please look at most of the threads I started. They are exactly about this idea regarding the win/w...

Hidden Cartesian Theater..look it up..but ill explain later..

Those things you describe all encompass experiential phenomena. It doesnt have to be one kind of thing. You are on the mind aspect of the the divide w...

So the very thing youre using to write this and refute experience yourself and do all you do in your waking life doesnt exist :roll: ? Join @"bongo fu...

I think this is a misreading of the problem I am suggesting with physicalist answers of causes. So physical events presumably have physical answers, a...

I have to say, @"bert1" is doing a good job laying out the problems and basically point to his arguments. The problems I see is the physicalists (pres...

Gotcha, I actually recommend starting with that SEP article on it that Banno provided. That gives a good background. Basically, most of the arguments ...

That's what Schopenhauer thought. I also tend to think so, but do not think you will get to any relief like Nirvana. The best you can hope for is prev...

Haha, StreetlightX, I have to say I was thrown a bit there. I thought he was being attacked and wasn't used to some of the personalities int he forum ...

I am but with other posters at this point because I found something of interest.

What the hell is the point of the petty squabbling. Stop trying to be assholes or clever and state your case. Sometimes I think people just want to ha...

Are you saying anywhere they saw order, they thought mind was involved? Is this like matter and form?

This does make sense. Emergence is its own inexplicable alchemy. The reason is the next level is assumed in the previous one.

Then what is it about brain stuff that supposedly bridges this gap that other matter doesn't have? More physical stuff like axons and dendrites and bi...

The only problem I have here is the idea of properties. Properties then themselves need to be explained because it would seem a property itself is som...

Jackson, you seem sincere so I want to help. What Banno and the others might be saying is that you have made a claim, but you are not providing reason...

Good points.. This is why for a while Judeans gave Rome such a headache. Many groups did not accept images of emperors (the Caligula affair in c.40 CE...

I don't think you interpreted what I meant correctly. What I meant was the hard question is not about constitutents of what makes consciousness, it is...

No, you just experience.

This is not something I have to be committed to.

What is this entertaining of the illusion.. You are just pushing the goal-post and playing with language by saying "entertain the illusion" rather tha...

Your argument is as faulty as saying "I am not writing these words right now". The fact that we "think" we have illusions has to be explained. It is a...

Certainly not the basis or all we can see, taste, hear, feel, and imagine.

So what is the nature of this non-existent fictional images and audio and homunculi? Not the things correlated with them (neurons). If you say "illusi...

The theater in the brain is reported. What are they reporting? Presumably that includes you and me. If you say you don't have anything like reportable...

"What" is the inner film show? We don't think, yet here we are thinking. To clarify, let me quote what I have stated before on this issue: In other wo...

Mental components don't happen. Yet we are discussing them. You say they are fictions. Fine, the fictions themselves are something. We are reasonably ...

Then why are we even talking of pictures in the head?