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Possibility, this whole debate is based on a flawed outlook in the OP which unfortunately chose to frame it a certain way that makes the choice seem b...

In any of these cases, it could simply be beauty is learned. Communities want you to value X, Y, Z in these realms in order for you to appreciate them...

Well, I don't necessarily buy into Schop's or Plato's idea that beauty is some non-material Platonic ideal that is sussed out when presented with art/...

It's just that.. why or when did this happen? It's kind of like "When did humans develop X, Y, Z notion". It's just something to ponder or try to unde...

This is probably a bit tangential but I wonder why or when certain body parts became associated with sexual attraction, etc. I doubt hunter-gatherers ...

But I did.. Again.. I not only gave a reason for why society started it but three reasons why women would participate in the tropes. I also mentioned ...

I believe I did answer this when describing the whole process. I stated that the very origins probably lies here: Once something becomes a habit or a ...

I guess what I mean is habits and norms that should then be seen as tropes, relegated to background noise and then perhaps disappear altogether (who k...

Ok, that goes back to the tropes. Both sexes are buying into it. The woman is buying into it by trying to be attractive with physical attributes. The ...

I'm fine with the one I just wrote there. It seems to be a summarization of what you're trying to say, no? But anyways, what about that definition tho...

I thin it's going around in circles because you need to get a handle on what "objectification" means here. You and Possibility are both correct if you...

Agreed.

I agree with Brett here. Men might stare at women as some sort of habit formed. That habit is one which is a trope of male culture in the broader cult...

Yep. That makes sense. It's a weird combination of social cues and the intertwining in personal narrative and habit formation.

Well, natural in terms of biological.. instinct rather than cultural. I'm not sure exactly what you mean here, but the way I interpret it, you are say...

It could be. It's playing a role or sending signals or both. In a society where one believes in alpha males, and that alpha males "get the girl" then ...

Yes, because one usually may not think of how one poses for others.. but photos make it the very thing one must focus on. How do you present yourself ...

But going along the theme of habits.. this itself would be habit one formed at some point. This habit of possessing through staring is itself a role, ...

Yeah very interesting point.. The gaze and what one wants to present and signal to others and be signalled by others.. It's all playing roles.

Yep, but you bring up the point.. the habit of a few seconds of staring that started to bond with male friends becomes just the habit of staring a few...

Well, interesting ideas.. That's what I'm getting with my posts to Possibility and 3027amen.. How much of this is cultural.. and how much of it is due...

I think we are assuming too much on aesthetics. It's more about keeping up with the Jones's perhaps? As I said to Possibility: In other words.. we may...

Yeah.. I agree I guess. I don't see the problem. I think the way TMF phrased it leaves this kind of a moot point. I really don't understand the debate...

The definition TMF gave was about dehumanization and disavowing the humanity of others. So I saw others speak of agency here. So if I guess we say tha...

I think you have to get at the phenomenal experience itself. What about wearing scantily clad clothing makes a person have the status of being "object...

I always advocate that the lucky ones were never born at all.

Just a helpful suggestion- if you click and drag a text and then let go, you will see a quote button appear. Click the button and it will automaticall...

None of this would matter, because obviously if you were in a utopia, you would need to know exactly what it is you need to know to know you are in a ...

So a question I am posing in a couple threads similar to this kind is: Is a world that isn't a utopia worth being born into? So in your video game ana...

Yeah, I'm just trying to say that whatever she was trying to say, it didn't seem to be fleshed out as to how the world being "chemistry and physics" m...

Actually, I meant the first response to this whole thread, sorry if I wasn't as specific, so it was before that post. I don't have one. I was just say...

Metaphysics might not, though someone like Schopenhauer has some interesting answers using a metaphysical starting point. You can see it sort of in my...

I don't know, that's a pragmatic claim, which itself is a metaphysical claim. What works, is what is the case. Okay, if you say so I guess? But it loo...

Im not talking about how how names refer to their referents in the world but rather the specific statement that math and science are the world. That i...

I don't care either, but if you don't quote, it potentially means your post is overlooked as quoting will allow the other person to see that someone h...

First off, do you know how to use the quoting function? You can click and drag over the words and then let go. You will see a "quote" button. Click th...

You can be a happy-go-lucky pessimist. Pessimism is not depression or a mood state. Rather, Philosophical Pessimism, is generally a negative assessmen...

A sunny day, a sunset, beautiful landscape, novel experiences (seeing a new place, trying a new thing), seeing old friends, sharing life experiences w...

I get the sentiment. I find it more interesting that religion fascinates human lives so much in so many quarters. It's like a fantasy that people are ...

I don't get it. Is this what you think @"Gnostic Christian Bishop" is trying to say? I kind of consider myself a secular gnostic, so I have sympathies...

So I'm trying to understand the point of these posts. Is it to show the Gnostic idea that there is a "higher god" above the God of the Bible?

It must be Ialdaboath tricking them :wink:.

Yes this solution too would be falling into the Cartesian Theater. what is "virtual space"? It is yet a hidden mind :D lurking in there. It is sometim...

But this "space" and its "telling us what the world is like" is the thing itself to be explained. That is the hard problem- that it has a "telling us ...

I think the panpsychists on this thread have gone out of their way to try to explain the nuances of their views often misrepresented by such statement...

This is misrepresenting the argument. The President can say what he wants. The sentiment is that at what point does the person in power have a respons...

Process theory essentially comes down to the idea that durational events themselves are experiential and this is odd to most people. However, it is on...

I think it's more the fact that it is the President of the United States saying these things. Such people with powerful public positions should be mor...

Got it. People just don't like the idea of "drops" or "occassions" of experience. To them, brains are either online or offline. No brain, no online. N...

What do you mean by "what-it's-like" vs. "being-a-reflexive-thing"?