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I don't know what that would look like, but it's not this one. The fact that I can "know" and compare states of affairs of this world with possible ot...

It prevents suffering because it prevents birth. You are implying that this is drastic. The trillions of unborn babies not being born is not drastic. ...

I believe David Chalmers and the formalization of the Hard Problem of Consciousness has probably helped that come into more popularity. Could be wrong...

If I remember Chomsky, he does indeed think that the "mind" is computational in a sense whereby an algorithm (i.e. merge) is constantly taking place f...

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I just thought that he did a good job showing how many theories are indeed unintentionally putting a hidden ...

Do you even read my posts? I said the same thing in response to him.

Ha, well I didn't want to state it that dramatically. That is more to wear the person's identity down. But the sentiment may be similar. The theme bei...

Yep, I suspect in a lot of cases you are right. Cultural habits and expectations instilled, without much reflection for why they hold these expectatio...

True enough.. I actually think philosophical pessimism can be a communal catharsis for helping cope with suffering. Bitch away, bitch away, bitch away...

Oft-stated response. My reply to a similar line of reasoning is here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/472633. Basically, I don't vie...

True enough. This does seem to be the case. I think it is also the same reason people adopt pets, etc. It is an experience of caregiving.. But you are...

I mean I don't see it the same way as you presenting here. There are various ways that you are oversimplifying this. One way is that danger that becom...

Work towards utopia, and prevent birth, so do both.

Why do you suppose that is? Does acting the role of caregiver and lifegiver trump the realities that a child will have all sorts of sufferings known a...

It prevents future suffering, not alleviates current ones. True, it literally helps no "one". The last part is just a straw man argument you are tryin...

I mean I object to people making the decisions for others whether they should create a whole other life, but I mean, other people object to certain po...

Stop straw manning and red herring this. I'll start misrepresenting Peircean semiotics and then you can see how that feels. But seriously, preventing ...

But then you are okay with using people to try to get to some technological utopia? People are thus fodder for the "aggregate utilitarian mill" of get...

But you don't know what will become of the person procreated. Look at this pandemic. You didn't predict that. This one is perhaps not as deadly as it ...

Exactly. You don't know. Who are we to gamble. No one expected deadly pandemics to be this extensive. That's on an aggregate scale. Each individual li...

I've said this before, but if the universe is one that works like this: "You need to suffer to not be bored", then we are already off to a bad start t...

Yeah, isn't that convenient that even Buddhism needs an escape hatch for procreation. I do get the philosophy. If everything is "illusion" and nirvana...

Yes, but you would have to really follow the history. Can you juxtapose what came prior to the Enlightenment as more communitarian vs. the individuali...

So do you have a sort of history of how it went from Natural law as right conduct to Natural law as entitlements? I can think of John Locke perhaps. L...

Ok, I remember this now. So he introduces the term "ententional" to capture the idea of intentionality in any sense, whether mentalistic (human mental...

Is thrre a particular part of book you are referring? Also can you elaborate your last statement about positively charged?

Just to clarify, it does look like you are discussing universal rights of a sort. Rome had an idea of rights as it related to citizenship status. Some...

I suppose I will read more about this as I move forward in the book. It sounds like he's saying a TM is all form and no matter. Matter drives form and...

@"frank"@"Wayfarer"@"magritte"@"Gnomon"@"apokrisis" I'm at Golems chapter. He is essentially trying to discredit both preformationist and eliminativis...

My problem with top-down causation is that the consequence is already assumed at the top. For example, evolutionary adaptation at the microbiological ...

Again, how events play out, how things scale, how properties inhere without an observer is the question. Objects on their own are different than objec...

I'm going to pick this quote because it might encapsulate a lot of the rest regarding scale. Let me put these words in succession to show where I'm co...

But even this simple statement seems so simple in human understanding and so bizarre outside of it, as an event in itself without a perspective. Tempe...

Let's take the critters out of it then.

I'm tired of debating whether an illusion itself is something to be reckoned with. Those who deny the experience as an illusion have to understand tha...

But what stage is the event happening? Panpsychism and process philosophy gives a first person perspective to the object itself. There are "occasions ...

What would that imply for metaphysics? Let's try a different route. Maybe the event is the focus. But what is an event?

Ah so as suspected, the perspective of the object is being taken in some third person or first person form. But yet if it's not that, what?

I guess then, let's start there. What does this really mean?

We can use those examples. I'd like to explore the ideas of scale and localized events as they pertain to those phenomena.

Haven't checked in for a bit. How is the reading going?

Yes, that above paragraph very much so.. This actually, has a few assumptions baked into it, leading to certain kind of answers, so I'd rather focus o...

So was Schopenhauer. It doesn't have to do with God as a necessity. So where do events localize?

It's to do with the view from nowhere and everywhere. What event is localizing at the level of objects? And I said:

No its all intertwined. We can view emergent events. But at what level do emergent events occur? It's like matter and forces are given extra layers of...

As telated to specifically emergence question.

Nope. I think we are so used to having a view of emergence that we don't know that is epistemic, not metaphysically happening. Emergence has a view fr...

Correct, so can you see where this fits in with things like mental phenomena "emerging"?

If there is no view from nowhere, then "what" is happening? Can one speak of this?

I wonder if there are several errors going on: 1) People don't recognize the dualism of the "fiction" of experience vs. the "reality" of the scientifi...