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Exactly. @"Echarmion" seems to try to overlook the fact that it is perfectly known that all harm can be prevented in the decision not to affect a futu...

Because you cannot predict what behaviors cause harm, it is a fact, once born you will cause unintentional harm. However, would you willingly try to c...

Here: But then, procreating someone will lead to this scenario, even as you have defined it thus: "Affects people's ability to practice their freedom"...

@"khaled" will probably answer this in his own way, but I believe I have answered this above:

I guess if it is just "Look something else that is similar" rather than "Look, because it's the law this must be the best way to look at it.." The imp...

Added a bit more to last post.

This is not about law, so not sure why we need to make those comparisons. Clearly, the law doesn't prevent a lot of things people find immoral or wron...

I understand and can sympathize with that notion. However, look at the partisanship it causes to think about election cycles. Repubs are scared to eve...

Even if you define it this way, surely you agree that harm happens once born, right? And I already made references to charmed life response to this, o...

How so? And how would your answer not relate to Benkei's OP about causation? Cause that's where I see this going...

It's not morally relevant to prevent unnecessary harm to another person (especially keeping mind contingencies discussed already about ameliorating fr...

Oh this stupid thing...back to Benkei's OP of causation. So, there are levels of nested causation. If you can prevent ALL instances of harm from befal...

Ah you would quote the prior version I had :D. But what are you disputing about harm.. Does that even matter? You don't think people get harmed after ...

So the possibility of any of the very wide range of harms don't have the possibility of befalling the person born? And via experience, not only any of...

The capacity to harm someone in this fashion exists, no? If the person uses this capacity, harm will incur, no? Not hard.

Um, the battleship is cracking and sinking. Term limits on Congress is actually a pretty massive structural change. The goal is to take away the downs...

So the president isn't Congress.. But if anything, that is a great reason why we need term limits.

But that's why I mentioned capacity to do harm. Does the capacity exist? Then don't do it. That capacity exists, even if there is no one benefitting f...

So are you waiting for me to say, "Go on..."?

Yes, I get that flawed reasoning. So maybe I can help.. IF the capacity exists to cause unnecessary harm that affects someone else, don't do it. You d...

I already explained my contention in what you quoted.

Cue current dysfunctional Congress...

I think you are not seeing the one last step the ANs are taking. Causing the conditions of suffering can lead to any number of harms, many of which we...

I don't know why posters are assuming that any argument can't be debated on a philosophy forum. Obviously it's debatable, and the people who hold the ...

No, procreation isn't justified with faster ways to commit suicide. It's like a game that you start for someone else, and death is an escape. The very...

@"Echarmion" about what that other guy said..."We could start an interminable series of threads sneeringly implying that anyone thinking the opposite ...

Because of the way you formulated it. It is about the parent making the decision that affects someone negatively. Don't do it. It doesn't matter that ...

I don't really understand the context, now. I thought you were trying to do the same thing all the other people are doing.. "No person exists at the t...

@"khaled" and I have been saying over and over how making a decision that affects someone in the future, still affects someone in the future. Your arg...

Good point. Exactly. Yep. Yep. The only thing they are going to keep doing is make the move to say, "But they don't exist yet, so you can cause anythi...

So did you read the two reformulations that I wrote below this? I purposely added that in anticipation of this kind of objection. Benatar takes a view...

Not sure what you mean. Term limits in Congress will equalize the playing field for who gets leadership position, motivate people to vote for the inte...

Copper/metallic wires pulsing up and down, off and on, the harnessing of this...Electrical power stations, all that..

Excellent point. It deals with affecting ANOTHER person. :rofl:. Trump would not be a case of this though.. He was bred from the start to be an asshol...

True. I think we mix democracy with free markets. Rich people and corporate entities being able to back a candidate through soft money is not the same...

I'm not sure what a past debate that didn't work out has to do with it still not being worth debate now.

Yes, because politics has brought us to a glorious place right now...

Yes, this is true. The principle is the same in regards to human limited efficacy.

No, not exactly what's going on. One way to answer this is the Benatarian Asymmetry argument. Essentially his idea is that if there is no actual perso...

But there is.. I clearly explained the disparity between what one uses and what one knows about what one uses. "It works!" just doesn't end the story ...

Yet its quite necessary for that field and they don't know how it works to the same degree :). Right.. and my point is not to stick to one domain.. bu...

Communism doesn't solve the problem.. You are still the stooge of the state rather than coordinated capital networks. It is the problem of life itself...

But then you are just a captive of either your own ability to survive on your own or the structures of all these networks of technology. You are a cap...

Can you define those terms in layman's speak :D? I have not read prior definitions that would make me understand it any better than if I just made it ...

Yes that's why I said in theory.. but I don't know about that.. Even engineers and professors of technology (let's say networking) usually specialize ...

Updated the OP.

It amazes me that "working class" voters would vote for Trump.. a spoiled rich kid.. Every time I bring Trump's corruption, someone points to Democrat...

See, we do disagree. Either way, we agree that people shouldn't assume either one for their child: the lived experience or the remembered experience.

Yeah, I agree with that.. It is the end result of exactly the perceptions people have that will happen if candidates are backed by these interests.. S...

I'm not sure about that.. Look at US Democratic Party.. Moderate Democrats like Hillary and Biden have a perception problem with their stated liberal ...