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Until the robots takeover, are humans being exploited as a unit of labor, if only because the conditions of being born demand it? How is not being bor...

I see the unfairness of bringing suffering into the world and I am impelled to give my perspective due to this. There are preconditions of the world t...

See you can answer your own question.

What do you get from asking me this question? Have you ever tried to provide a thesis or proposition before? Why did you do that? Why do you think peo...

Very Socrates of you..ha

If I advocate that people shouldn't murder, it shouldn't matter what's in it for me. It's the moral thing to do. ALSO, I gave you some ideas in my fir...

Besides attraction (which is its own difficulties to explain in terms of instinct) and the desire for pleasure, can you describe what the "I want a ba...

What makes it paricularly part of human nature and not a pervasive culturally pressured preference that can somewhat easily be overrided? Agree with y...

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Nowadays, birth can be reasonably prevented.

But I don't get what you are trying to imply with motivations of antinatalists. Are you trying to say why are antinatalists trying to "deprive" parent...

I'm with you Benkei, haven't heard of the term until now.

What you may want to consider is what makes mental/cognitive states different than other processes. It would seem that the a priori mental representat...

I have read some of his work. I get what you're saying, I just don't think that answered it. I get that he thinks there is Will.. I get that my "will"...

Yeah I get that.. but don't think it answered what I'm getting at sufficiently.

But why would there be appearances along with Will? What is the connection? I think that is a legitimate question. The World as Will AND Representatio...

So let's break it down into one case.. work. Scenario A: A world exists in which people are more-or-less born into having to LABOR to stay alive and c...

Then why and wherefrom the world of representation/appearances? I know it's "illusion". It also is an "objectivation" of the Will. The best descriptio...

Oh because you said: And I thought it ironic that fighting for those freedoms involved coordinating on a federal level in exactly the way that you see...

You mean the coordinated effort of the Civil War and WW2 and the like by federal GOVERNMENT? :roll: You mean the UNION of the states to come together ...

Last I checked, being alive is a prerequisite for suffering. It's just not the direct cause of an instance of suffering, but the necessary background ...

Right, so now apply that to the act of procreation. But one major difference is that procreation will lead to someone getting harmed (or being forced ...

Nationalism becomes a thing when theres dispute over territory and the territory matters to people.

I just meant I agree essentially that it is too late for the already born. Yet, you can prevent yet another person from the historical contingency. It...

Prevent a future child. This prevents what is occurring now, occurring to someone else in the future. It just takes looking a little bit into the futu...

We cannot escape it. Prevent others from entering it. How is this not subtle manipulation? You don't want to work??? Go complain to someone who cares....

Strawman bro. You can still alleviate suffering for already existing person. One doesnt exclude the other. But its also a broader philosophical claim ...

Theres no escaping your historical contingency. Perhaps preventing future people born into it. What is the purpose of anyone being born to do anything...

Oh interesting. That does sound relevant.

Cool, why do you recommend it in this case?

There's also the political preference to not keep this survival-comfort-entertainment seeking via cultural institutions thing going. Rather, voting wi...

No not at all. There is a distinction between a life worth STARTING and CONTINUTING. Different considerations, mainly involving the fact that in one c...

Hi Javi, to be fair, he is talking about "absolute antinatalism".. that is antintalism that thinks NO parents should ever have children because they w...

. 1) Ideology... Saying, "Yay, USA!!" is really supporting the ideology of the country's (supposed) ideals. Equality under the law, freedoms of speech...

Before you posted this, you should read just about any AN argument, as this is probably the most common question ANs get asked, and also the most comm...

Could be a couple things depending on the AN: Catharsis- I can't prevent my life, but I can prevent future suffering. The emotional element of satisfa...

Either way there will be a person that exists, and you are taking into consideration the suffering that person would suffer. I find it hilarious that ...

I dont get why aloneness is inherently immoral. Why is there an obligation to be around others?

Yes, clever name. However, AA is trying to reform people. This is more like everyone has an understanding of the pessimist perspective and so understa...

That's a good question. I would imagine it would need a moderator. I think ground rules are always a good idea in a group setting. I would suggest giv...

Definitely. The representation of the Will itself, not just its Forms :D.

Yeah, but communal pessimism is an interesting concept I'd like to explore..Pessimism is almost always borne out in one's own head, so the idea of exp...

Not sure if you know Schop's conception, but to him, existence is two-sided. There is the world as Will and as Representation. Will is considered the ...

Yes, that would make our Communities of Catharsis different than psychotherapy or something like that. Psychotherapy is going to just say, "Don't comp...

I'm not much for this kind of speculation, but have ever read about Philipp Mainlander's philosophy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Mainl%C3%A4...

Yes, to reiterate your point, I think that pessimists should form "Communities of Catharsis" groups to vent about the suffering and see each other as ...

I think this is a misconception of pessimism. Pessimism, is not Big Lebowski-style "Nihilism" (nothing matters/ no ethos). To the contrary, philosophi...

Because asceticism is one of Schop's key ethical/metaphysical concepts as written about in WWR book 4. See here for a preview: https://en.wikipedia.or...

Very true. Agreed.. but is @"Jack Cummins" looking for pessimist literature or absurdist? If pessimist-proper, go with Schopenhauer. Jack, have you ev...

Why not Schopenhauer?

Also, think of an ascetic monk-type. They may follow doctrines of philosophical pessimism (maybe they wouldn't even think to call it that), and have a...