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Philosophical pessemism..there is suffering in the world that is inevitable. Best never to have been. Prevent future suffering and form Communities of...

It all goes back to the hard problem of consciousness. If we say that you were you with your first experience at then begs the question as to what mak...

My question about Schopenhauer was basically why the PSR coincides with atemporal/ acausal Will at all. Whence Maya if all is Will? How is Will playin...

I would argue that antinatalists like @"Andrew4Handel" @"Bartricks" and myself are to a large extent caring about other people, by wanting to prevent ...

:up: very good job pointing out the nuances of the historical context of Spinoza as to what the Sephardic community were facing. He was probably deeme...

Well, being creative here, perhaps if Will is not limited by space/time, perhaps what we think are separated entities of "wills" and objects (the flip...

My biggest question of his metaphysics right now is how is it that Will can have many "wills"? Why is it also that there is representation in the firs...

What do you think of Being as opposed to Schopenhauer's Will and of Whithead's process philosophy's "occasions of experience" and such?

Try Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation.. His premise is basically the title of the four-volume work.

Yes, I think it may be the difference between simply criticizing and arguing in good faith. One is indeed antagonistic, and one is genuinely looking t...

So clearly I don't like what Isaacs doing here and unfortunately he mentioned me while addressing you thus not easily extricating me from the conversa...

No, I knew what you meant, I think my answer addresses what you intended.

He can just say that without all the theatrics though.

Not sure this is as much Miller's Law, but I have recently run into problems with etiquette when debating on my own threads. One example of what think...

That was to Isaac.. Although you seem to do similar things, you actually just debate the topic and not make this a meta-argument about the topic. That...

The situation is still bad. In this case it is not a moral issue as much as it is a metaphysical one. Humans are then just destined to suffer, and the...

@"Isaac" And for the record, it's not that you disagree that I think you are ridiculous, it is that you are so against the topic, and me writing about...

So are you like, @"khaled" anti-antinatalist liaison or patron or something? Are you curating arguments for him? You always follow him into my threads...

No, because I believe you can mitigate to a degree lesser harms for greater harms (waking a life guard to save a drowning child's life), but not to su...

I'd like to see that answer too.

And this is a major part of my point. Imposing life onto another person, because you think it will in some general sense "help society" is using that ...

So you selectively choose to ignore earlier questions I had in this thread like here:

So I should elaborate cause I can see based on what I said, it can be construed as the ONLY thing and that's it, and it's not. Dignity is not simply h...

To not wake the lifeguard would be to overlook the dignity of the drowning person. If the lifeguard was not born, he would not have been waken. But he...

Care to elaborate?

I've already said it, you don't enslave people to help out slaves. You abolish the condition of enslavement. The indignity happens when putting people...

Cool, so if a majority of people like baseball should people be force recruited to play the game? If you say that's different because life has more ch...

I'm sure you know this but you can have two things be true. Your parents labored for you, and now that you were born, you must work-to-survive. You ch...

Ok, interesting ideas. However, my question is then, is it just to put another human being into the world if that human is forced to work-to-survive? ...

But is it always about "unpaid" labor? How about forced labor in general onto another person because you simply like labor yourself (or don't mind it)...

But is that ever an excuse to choose to be immoral? If someone murders, can they say "It's natural" even if somehow you can prove human aggression is ...

It stems from the indignity of creating unnecessary harm. There are no mitigating circumstances of someone that is not born. Unlike a situation where ...

One has nothing to do with the other. Motives and arguments being good. Or you haven't made that case. It's just saying it's unfair to put others in a...

Right so this again, comes down to our difference in how we are measuring moral good. You are using some totalizing thing where people are used to inc...

I presented my case. You fail to see it, as now you are restating the same thing without trying to parse it out and synthesize it. Right. Falls under ...

But that's what I am saying.. It is unjust to unnecessarily do it on someone else's behalf.. and you gave many many examples of this idea. Gambling wi...

I mean, amusing as that sounds for a tragic-comedy, it is not based on these circumstances. I think you should write a sitcom on it or something thoug...

So you yourself have provided this example.. I gave it in another thread.. What if you were recruited into a game, and the only thing you can do is ge...

We went over possible motives in your other thread no? I mean I gave my own in a direct reply and then you gave pretty good ones on your own. Why are ...

We've been through this and we know where we stand on the argument.. Starting a whole new life to ameliorate those already here is still unnecessarily...

No it is not. The unjust and unnecessary causing the conditions for harm to take place and overall prevention of starting unnecessary harm for another...

It certainly does. I am an avowed antinatalist. Most people would say too vocal on here :). But is it not solving the question for the future generati...

I think the Judeo-Christian idea of life being good, and this needs to be procreated, is pretty much the typical stance in any society. Even Buddhist ...

So this is a sort of argument-from-nature. Some may call this the naturalistic fallacy or appeal to nature fallacy. So your main point seems to be tha...

So interesting points.. and I think this might be more appropriate for the other thread on Marx here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/10559/...

Let's rephrase it then to make it less "just because". So yes, I can say, causing negative states for others, is bad as an axiom.. Let's make it more ...

Ah two greats philosophizing at the highest level. You see, you are proving my point. You just assume the already-in-place default, and because it is ...

I meant the default point of view, not that this is completely unchangeable or impossible.

My point is its all connected, but I get how superficially it might look like its not. The problem of labor can be solved other than with robots and M...

Let us say the prevention of the next generation solves the problem in one generation. Simply don't produce more people that need to labor, and proble...